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FRONT PAGE  |  12/6/2019
MONDAY, NOV 11, 2019  |  15 comments
Over 80 evangelical leaders call for restitution-based immigration reform?
On Wednesday evening, the “Evangelical Call for Restitution-Based Immigration Reform” was announced in Washington, D.C., by the Evangelical Immigration Table, a coalition of evangelical organizations that support comprehensive immigration reform.

The statement was signed by not only the nine leaders of the Evangelical Immigration Table’s principal organizations, but also by pastors and leaders from dozens of evangelical seminaries, churches, Christian colleges, parachurch organizations, and denominational bodies.

Notable signatories include Russell Moore, head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission; Leith Anderson, retiring president of the National Association of Evangelicals; Danny Akin, president of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary; pastor James Merritt of Cross Pointe Church in Duluth, Georgia; pastor Claude Alexander of The Park Church in ...


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News Item11/14/19 10:07 PM
Arthur Foster | Austin, Texas  Find all comments by Arthur Foster
Neil wrote:
Exactly! Media "discussions" of this rarely take the trouble to distinguish legal from illegal immigration. When you look at how other countries regulate their borders, such as in Oceania, they make no apologies about keeping freeloaders, addicts, and other undesirables out, while welcoming productive and useful folks.

Good point. There is a distinction between illegal and legal immigration.

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News Item11/11/19 10:12 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Good point, Neil, one good reason I use George Will. He is certainly not an Evangelical,
No, you don't get my point at all. 1) I was referring to the article's subject, not your choice of critics; 2) You commit the Genetic Fallacy. The merit of a proposition is not determined by its origin. Since you like links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

Will is a fool if he thinks illegal immigration is harmless, esp. when it's used by Democrats as a form of demographic gerrymandering. And the birth rate is a Red Herring. You socialists have been complaining about overpopulation for about 50 yrs, but I guess it's OK when it helps rig elections.

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News Item11/11/19 4:11 PM
Roger | Illinois  Find all comments by Roger
This thinking creates 975 + billion dollars in government expenditure to support this illegal activity. If I would like a better house in which to live, then I should just move in and enjoy the benefits without regard that I am trespassing. And when told to leave just pay a fine and stay. Does that take on meaning that is more personal.
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News Item11/11/19 3:33 PM
Carl in Asheville | North Carolina  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl in Asheville
I applaud their efforts but I disagree with their solution for the whole of illegal immigrants. I can affirm and am a witness that a small percentage of illegal immigrants are true believers. Nearly 15 years ago our church in NC had a family of illegal immigrants (5 in number) become a part of our congregation. The parents had overstayed their visas and the children were well into our culture. Most of the congregation felt something like these evangelicals and felt that they keep a low profile and stay. I did not (and took a lot of flak). I went to the father and persuaded him to go to a judge. He did and was told he and his family had to leave. The vast majority church leaders wanted him to continue a low profile. I went to the father again and talked to him to seek the Lord as to the righteousness of him obeying or disobeying the authorities. After prayer, he decided to take his family back to Nicaragua. Now he is a pastor of a growing church there (and need your prayers).

If the American church truly want to help them then do it individually (through the church) support poor illegals and encourage those who have become members of the Body to do the right thing. Become their advocate and character witnesses when their cases go to court. But DO NOT aid and abet criminals.

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News Item11/11/19 2:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil wrote:
I thought you'd complain about Evangelical involvement in politics.
Good point, Neil, one good reason I use George Will. He is certainly not an Evangelical, conservative yes, but a person who is indifferent to Christianity.

Most of these people on this table are on the liberal end of evangelicalism anyway.

As far as George Will is concerned most illegal immigration is fine. The United States did not have enough natural births to satisfy the business needs of the country.

https://tinyurl.com/t4ap6eu (Immigration policy is Congress' job), surprisingly George was a little hard on DACA, but not unsurprisingly harder on Congress.

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News Item11/11/19 2:06 PM
Douglas Fir | Land of Pleasant Living  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Immigration reform--what does that mean? Didn't President Reagan enact some kind of reform? What did that lead to? Wasn't the "TPS" (Temporary Protection Status)for Central Americans just get renewed last week? How long has that 'temporary' been? It was in October 1998 when Hurricane Mitchell hit Central America and led to this. If you had children born in 1998, they could have married, had children, and made you a grandparent by now...all on a temporary basis!
Immigration reform to me equals shutting down the border, shutting down all immigration, including the H1B visas given to Chinese, Indian, Muslims to take over jobs that Americans are doing (ask former employees of Disney Corp. who were fired and replaced by these H1B people).
Surveys done in Africa show that 70 percent of many countries there would emigrate to the USA if they could, and they are coming...ask any friends or relatives you have in Maine about African immigrants there 'camping out' and sucking up their rich govt benefits, so much so that now the govt has to cut back the benefits that 'natives' used to get.
No, immigration is the worst mess the US has going on today, the very worst. Best thing is to stop it, just like they did in the 1950s.
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News Item11/11/19 1:06 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Mike wrote:
If only immigration had something to do with illegal immigration...
Exactly! Media "discussions" of this rarely take the trouble to distinguish legal from illegal immigration. When you look at how other countries regulate their borders, such as in Oceania, they make no apologies about keeping freeloaders, addicts, and other undesirables out, while welcoming productive and useful folks.
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News Item11/11/19 12:29 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
George Will has/had some interesting thoughts on immigration reform 5 years ago ❗ 👍
excerpt from, "Why immigration reform matters"
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If only immigration had something to do with illegal immigration...
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News Item11/11/19 12:02 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
I can take something out of context in scripture and use that to support just about any abominable behavior I want:

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

2 Samuel 11:4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.

Therefore it is okay to commit adultery or at a minimum it is no big deal.

There are so many who are guilty of eisegesis and simply bend scripture to suit their own needs and concepts. But our heavenly Father knows our hearts and no one can fool Him.

And yes, me included.

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News Item11/11/19 11:40 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
The problem with (illegal) immigration is that these people are usually forced to go seeking a better governed country by some moron who like the bus driver in Venezuela has destroyed the economics of the country.

However this subsequently means that the 'better' governed nations must pay for the incompetency of bad government.

Local community services in the better countries such as hospitals, schools, GP's, work markets, police, end up being overrun by floods of refugees.

Thus a problem created by the crooks, morons and incompetents in some governments are transferred to local communities elsewhere who suffer a deluge effect from the failed state.

Misplaced sympathy by Liberals and other overzealous benevolent, philanthropic types does not address justice nor solve the ongoing problem of bad governments or overwhelmed communities.

Planting the seeds of disrepair somewhere else in humanity, does not cure the problem of crowd transfer.

As for godly sympathy on this problem, - Look at what God did with Israel being moved into Canaan?

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News Item11/11/19 8:31 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
George Will has/had some interesting thoughts on immigration reform 5 years ago 👺
excerpt from, "Why immigration reform matters"
I thought you'd complain about Evangelical involvement in politics.
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News Item11/11/19 7:48 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
By “Trumpians, Jim, I assume you mean people who, unlike yourself and other liberals, actually love America and want to see her blessed and prospering. In that case, I’m proud to be a Trumpian, a “deplorable” who did not and would not vote for Hellery. Cuba is calling you, Jim. Put on your beret and go.
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News Item11/11/19 5:20 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
George Will has/had some interesting thoughts on immigration reform 5 years ago ❗ 👍
George Will wrote:
....
Many Republicans say immigration runs counter to U.S. social policies aiming to reduce the number of people with low levels of skill and education, and must further depress the wages of Americans who, at the bottom of the economic ladder, are already paying the price for today’s economic anemia. This is true. But so is this: The Congressional Budget Office says an initial slight reduction of low wages (0.1 percent in a decade) will be followed by increased economic growth partly attributable to immigrants. Immigration is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty. Small wonder, then, that immigrants are about 20 percent of owners of small businesses, and that more than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children....
excerpt from, "Why immigration reform matters"

https://tinyurl.com/vw2jvle

The evangelicals most who aren't Trumpians made some points.

http://evangelicalimmigrationtable.com/

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www.upsers.com  Find all comments by www.upsers.com
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News Item11/11/19 12:11 AM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
Confused Neo Evangelical just like their fake babel modern bibles.
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