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FRONT PAGE  |  11/21/2019
SATURDAY, AUG 17, 2019  |  315 comments
Churches arm, train congregants in wake of mass shootings
Acrid gun smoke clouded the sunny entrance of a Texas church on a recent Sunday.

Seven men wearing heavy vests and carrying pistols loaded with blanks ran toward the sound of the shots, stopping at the end of a long hallway. As one peeked into the foyer, the "bad guy" raised the muzzle of an AR-15, took aim and squeezed the trigger.

The simulated gunfight at the church in Haslet was part of a niche industry that trains civilians to protect their churches using the techniques and equipment of law enforcement. Rather than a bullet, the rifle fired a laser that hit Stephen Hatherley's vest — triggering an electric shock the 60-year-old Navy veteran later described as a "tingle." ...


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News Item8/30/19 8:26 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Anyway John, yes, I'm interested, but will let you know if time will even allow or not. I was hoping to just read along with you and Mike, or whoever.
For now, let me ask you one question: You say all evil that goes on in this world is of The Lord, as opposed to being permitted by The Lord, which is my position. My question is this: Are you building your case around Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."?
It's a great text bro, but no, it isn't the passage I am thinking of.

I understand your frustration at not always being able to follow through on a big convo due to time constraints.

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News Item8/30/19 7:04 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK Wrote:
"I've not heard from him yet, Christopher. I hope he is okay. We may need to press on without him. That is, if you are still interested."

I'd like to get more involved in many conversations, but my free-time is always so very limited. I really hate it when I get involved, and then can't follow-up, so that's always my conundrum. I think it often appears as if I just don't feel like discussing something any longer, and just drop off, when the fact is that I have near zero free-time to do the discussional research that I'd much rather be doing. I always hesitate saying anything at all, because I never know how far I can go with any discussion.

Anyway John, yes, I'm interested, but will let you know if time will even allow or not. I was hoping to just read along with you and Mike, or whoever.

For now, let me ask you one question: You say all evil that goes on in this world is of The Lord, as opposed to being permitted by The Lord, which is my position. My question is this: Are you building your case around Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."?

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News Item8/30/19 5:16 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
". It looks as though I am going to have to prove it to you as well as to Mike NY. I will just await his reply, or we will be getting away from it."
Hey John,
I'll be sure to read along if the topic gets taken up...
I've not heard from him yet, Christopher. I hope he is okay. We may need to press on without him. That is, if you are still interested.
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News Item8/28/19 2:17 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
". It looks as though I am going to have to prove it to you as well as to Mike NY. I will just await his reply, or we will be getting away from it."
Hey John,
I'll be sure to read along if the topic gets taken up...
Yes indeed, Christopher. I just want to hear from Mike first, lest I have portrayed his argument incorrectly. He doesn't think Mr Calvin has gotten it right in this instance, maybe in many instances, but I am hoping to avoid those theological terms (like 'ordain') which can cloud up the water, and which is why I used the simple term 'of the Lord' which you didn't accept, preferring 'permitted by the Lord'; however, this is to avoid those bad feelings you get about God while reading the Bible, finding him to be somewhat different from the version you unconsciously had produced in your mind concerning him, something that most do, and which I had done myself, which image quickly had to change upon first reading the scriptures, seeing as it was different from the one I had produced in my mind owing to "the world", which evil force will always try to propagate a God different from what he is. It took conversion and a Bible to counteract that.
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News Item8/28/19 9:48 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK Wrote:
". It looks as though I am going to have to prove it to you as well as to Mike NY. I will just await his reply, or we will be getting away from it."

Hey John,

I'll be sure to read along if the topic gets taken up...

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News Item8/28/19 7:18 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Good morning Christopher,

And thanks for your post.

No, I mean "of the Lord", not "permitted by the Lord".

If you want to serve the God of the Bible, you have to see what the Bible teaches about events and God's hand in them.

It looks as though I am going to have to prove it to you as well as to Mike NY. I will just await his reply, or we will be getting away from it.

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News Item8/28/19 6:45 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK Wrote:
"...every single event, whether we call it evil or good, is ultimately "of the Lord"."

Good morning John, every single event that we can conjure up, as being of The Lord, and attributing it as emanating from The Lord, makes me cringe, when I think of all that choice of wording can encompass.

Do you think, "allowed by The Lord", would be a much better fit, as opposed to how I'm receiving your phrasing...conjured up, set in motion, and caused by {The Lord}?

Maybe this is what you mean by, "of The Lord"?

As an example, Satan needs permission for his more severe of schemes against the saints, so the dark things that Satan is allowed to get away with, don't emanate from God, they originate with Satan, and are merely permissible, as God's sees fit, to test, to teach, to correct, or to punish, etc.

God allows the evil in this fallen world, for now, but the evil that mankind perpetrates is hardly the result of God planning out their crimes, and making sure they get carried out.

I'm thinking this is what you meant by, "of The Lord", but the phrasing is mis-leading, to me anyway.

Hope you didn't mind me trying to get this clarified...

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News Item8/28/19 4:39 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
But either God ordained the prevention, or he did not. If he did, why the fuss? If he did not, why the thought that God ordains everything that comes to pass?
Bro, there is no doubt in my mind, and I will prove this conclusively later on, that every single event, whether we call it evil or good, is ultimately "of the Lord".

Now your argument is, that IF this is true, THEN God was the ultimate cause of the prevention of the committing of a crime, let us say, the killing by a gunman during a church service of several members of the church. Therefore, IF that is the case, THEN it must be that arming members of the church and training them in killing a shooter coming in the church building, is perfectly justifiable and there is no sin involved except in the gunman.

Now Mike,

1. Have I portrayed your argument correctly, in every detail?

2. Do you yourself believe your argument, or are you arguing against Calvin's quote?

3. Are you saying that there would be no spiritual or mental consequence for the man or woman who fired the bullet which killed the gunman?

Thanks bro.

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News Item8/27/19 11:02 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Bro US, thank you for your post, and I will try to answer. Note, an actual example:
"Mike, my own opinion on this dilemma is that in order to argue with Adriel from his own theological position, you obviously would have to understand his theological position, or you will end up arguing a strawman to no avail."
Is this what you mean? If not, I will inevitably end up building mine own strawman. The onus is on you to be clear and concise in what you are saying. Is this example suitable? If so, I will use it to show you exactly what I'm saying, and why Mike was building a strawman to knock down again. It's up to you bro. If it is not suitable, please give me one example which is suitable and we can look at it and dissect it. Thanks.
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier John but I do believe Mike responded to your question.

Adriel quoting Calvin specifically said

"God, therefore, ordained that which should come to pass, because nothing could have been done had He not willed it to be done."

Mike responded to what he posted, pure and simple.

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News Item8/27/19 6:48 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
B. McCausland wrote:
Whatever you say, it is terribly worrying to observe how much pragmatism governs actions, standards, and decisions in the church today.
Realistically is not the Word that governs but what it might work, the innovative, the feeling-good, rationalised opinion, or the convenient.
It is understandable for governments to take such line of action as they do not care for the word, yet the church continually goes on paying the price for this accepted and habitual trend.
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News Item8/27/19 6:11 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Thanks for your response. Whether you agree or not it is a matter of personal opinion. I have rightly divided the Word of Truth as I see it.
Thanks
Whatever you say, it is terribly worrying to observe how much pragmatism governs actions, standards, and decisions in the church today.
Realistically is not the Word that governs but what it might work, the innovative, the feeling-good, rationalised opinion, or the convenient.
It is understandable for governments to take such line of action as they do not care for the word, yet the church continually goes on paying the price for this accepted and habitual trend.
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News Item8/27/19 4:56 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Mike, my own opinion on this dilemma is that in order to argue with Adriel from his own theological position, you obviously would have to understand his theological position, or you will end up arguing a strawman to no avail.
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I don't argue from his theological position, but from the words he actually uses when commenting. I don't care what someone's position is, if they can uphold its application in the world we live in, not just in the world of theory. If communication is to have any meaning, words must also have meaning. When we say "sovereignty" we mean God, as ultimate authority, can do whatever he wills without answerability to anyone, or we don't. "Ordained" means caused to happen, or it doesn't. "Everything" means everything, or it doesn't. And so on. Truly, John, I don't see the strawman in the questions. Words should mean things, regardless of theology.
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News Item8/27/19 4:11 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
B. McCausland wrote:
US
We can make assumptions out of pragmatism, which is what invented scenarios are, but it is not safe to make them a matter of faith and conviction.
We anchor from the Word to draw conclusions, not pragmatism. This is a grave error.
E g. We can pragmatically distribute free contraceptives to curve unwanted teenage pregnancy, yet the solution is the implementation of thou shall not commit adultery.
Please stop going round and round trying to find a way out of this basic principle of hermeneutics placing flaw where it is not due.
Thanks for your response. Whether you agree or not it is a matter of personal opinion. I have rightly divided the Word of Truth as I see it.

Thanks

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News Item8/27/19 1:34 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
US
We can make assumptions out of pragmatism, which is what invented scenarios are, but it is not safe to make them a matter of faith and conviction.
We anchor from the Word to draw conclusions, not pragmatism. This is a grave error.
E g. We can pragmatically distribute free contraceptives to curve unwanted teenage pregnancy, yet the solution is the implementation of thou shall not commit adultery.
Please stop going round and round trying to find a way out of this basic principle of hermeneutics placing flaw where it is not due.
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News Item8/27/19 12:30 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Psalm 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.

Problem here with meaning of church, which seems to be here--a place to go to, rather than the Body of Christ.
Benefits of gathering together are being recognized by secular folk, check out link to Outside magazine website for one about health that includes a portion about Sundays. Also, I have linked to a podcast from EconTalk that mentions the community that forms around a church. Of course, I would guess there is less of that once you get above a certain number, say five hundred or one thousand in a room.

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News Item8/27/19 10:08 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Bro US, thank you for your post, and I will try to answer. Note, an actual example:

"Mike, my own opinion on this dilemma is that in order to argue with Adriel from his own theological position, you obviously would have to understand his theological position, or you will end up arguing a strawman to no avail."

Is this what you mean? If not, I will inevitably end up building mine own strawman. The onus is on you to be clear and concise in what you are saying. Is this example suitable? If so, I will use it to show you exactly what I'm saying, and why Mike was building a strawman to knock down again. It's up to you bro. If it is not suitable, please give me one example which is suitable and we can look at it and dissect it. Thanks.

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News Item8/27/19 9:53 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Just passing through here. But BMacCausland I get what they are saying.

You and John UK are discounting what people are saying by stating they are using a straw man and thus what they are saying is of no value, but your assessment is wrong. You are also saying that what you are saying is Scriptural and what others are saying is not.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but it is just that, your opinion. We appreciate the fact that you base your beliefs on the Bible and are trying to admonish the brethren. However I did use Scripture to back my thinking. The fact that you don’t see it that way doesn’t make you right and me wrong and vise versa. It means we see things differently and we should respectfully discuss things instead of insisting we have superior intellectual skills and deeper spiritual understanding of the Bible.

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News Item8/27/19 8:11 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Everybody needs to learn something, and "Somebody needs to learn" needs to learn more than most of us, being most immature and unhelpful.

I'm not saying "don't post", rather, get yourself a moniker and stick to it, being open and honest, rather than hiding in the shadows and claiming to know better than others.

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News Item8/27/19 5:44 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Somebody needs to learn wrote:
the definition of a straw man
The fallacy is your definition of a straw man. Don't be so proud as to not admit you are wrong. Not discussing topic at hand just your inaccurate use of the term straw man.
Sorry any argument trying to divert from what the Scripture says about an issue is only time consuming and attention distracting from truth.
Please, may we be clear how it denotes character when resorting to insult, and again behind a new moniker of course
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News Item8/27/19 12:17 AM
Somebody needs to learn  Find all comments by Somebody needs to learn
B. McCausland wrote:
Yes, they are *fallacies*, hence not valid to establish practice.
We establish practice on God's law, not on a situation that seems to demand a pragmatic verdict.
****
Mike, we believe God is sovereign or not, even in what he choses to prevent.
Remember the case of the King being hit by a single arrow while disguised in ordinary clothes to escape being killed.
the definition of a straw man

The fallacy is your definition of a straw man. Don't be so proud as to not admit you are wrong. Not discussing topic at hand just your inaccurate use of the term straw man.

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