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FRONT PAGE  |  12/9/2019
MONDAY, JUL 15, 2019  |  19 comments
Israel’s National Conflict Plays Out in Clash Over a Sabbath Bus Service
Mayor Carmel Shama-Hacohen’s desk is strewn with evidence of the threats against his life over his campaign to introduce public bus service on the Sabbath—an effort that put him on one side of a broader dispute that some call a battle for the soul of Israel.

Service begins next weekend between this leafy suburban city of 156,000 and the beach in Tel Aviv, after the Ramat Gan city council approved the plan on Tuesday, despite opposition from Israelis who say service on Friday evening and Saturday flouts the Bible-ordained day of rest.

The dispute was the latest in a national conflict over the Sabbath that has upended Israeli politics. It pits the most religiously conservative Jews against the secular as well as those who are strongly faithful but less observant, a segment known in Israel as traditional Jews.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s attempt to form a government collapsed in May over ...


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News Item7/16/19 9:44 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Chris G P wrote:
1). The Sabbath for Christians. No, we do not celebrate the Sabbath, which is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. I do wish my Reformed friends would stop calling Sunday the Sabbath. (I am Reformed in theology, too). It is not, it is the Lord’s Day, given to the Church in the New Covenant, to celebrate the Lord’s Resurrection, but also a day of rest, and yes, I believe the 4th Commandment still applies, and has not been abrogated. We Christians should joyfully celebrate the Lord’s Day. I do remember as a boy, when most shops were closed on Sunday, now in Britain, large shops have restricted hours, and everything else, including small shops, opens when they like. A pity in many ways.
Chris, I don't know how the expression "the Lord's Day" became so prominent in churches, and was referred to as being the first day of the week without any biblical warrant. Probably the same way Easter and Christmas and candles and the clergy system and infant baptisms and altars and statues and hymnbooks came about.

In Revelation 1:10 we have the words "Lord's day", not Day, and this is the only reference in the Bible. If the writer meant "Jehovah's day", obviously sabbath.

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News Item7/16/19 5:39 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Hear, hear, Chris G P. Replacement theology is not only false theology, but arrogant theology that elevates the pipe dreams of men above the clear word of God.
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News Item7/16/19 3:02 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
clear on this one, and made it very clear he believes that there was a future for both Israel and the Jews, and we should not spiritualise these things away, or allegorise them for the Church.
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News Item7/16/19 2:59 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
Let God be true and every man a liar”.

I am sad and shocked that many evangelical Christians are ardent devotees of the Roman Catholic theology of St Augustine, who launched the Replacement Theology, that emphasised perpetually punished and stripped Israel, and the great triumphant Church.

I am also appalled that evangelical Christians support, along with the theological and political liberals, the so called 2 state solution, which really is a 1 state solution, leading to a sharia Islamic Jew-free Arabic state of Palestine, and some ardently have embraced so called “Christian Palestinianism”. This is an utter disgrace.

The great Reformed Anglican Bishop, J C Ryle, who opposed Catholicism and wrote about the Puritans and Reformers, was

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News Item7/16/19 2:51 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
Two issues here.

1). The Sabbath for Christians. No, we do not celebrate the Sabbath, which is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. I do wish my Reformed friends would stop calling Sunday the Sabbath. (I am Reformed in theology, too). It is not, it is the Lord’s Day, given to the Church in the New Covenant, to celebrate the Lord’s Resurrection, but also a day of rest, and yes, I believe the 4th Commandment still applies, and has not been abrogated. We Christians should joyfully celebrate the Lord’s Day. I do remember as a boy, when most shops were closed on Sunday, now in Britain, large shops have restricted hours, and everything else, including small shops, opens when they like. A pity in many ways.

2). Though I am Reformed, I do not subscribe to Replacement Theology, as God has not forgotten His promises to the Jews or to Israel, but they will be fully restored to faith in Yeshua, the Lord Jesus Christ, as their true Messiah, having been double crossed in their 3rd Temple, by the wicked Antichrist, the False Messiah, when he declares himself to be god in the middle of the tribulation.

I agree with Dr Tim on this one, and we Christians should remember if God does not keep His promises to the Jews or Israel, He may not keep His promises to the Church. “Let God be true, a

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News Item7/15/19 11:07 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
It's a shame really...

All these poor people never seen a oppossom cry...

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News Item7/15/19 10:10 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
The reason John never saw a possum, JAG, is because that Saint Dimwit I mentioned earlier drove them all out of Wales, which is even more remarkable considering he (the saint) was a girl.
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News Item7/15/19 7:11 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
John UK says...
I've not seen a possum ever."

Then come on over to the South. We'll make sure you see enough oppossom to make you want to play oppossum to get out of here...

Of course we won't really have to do much, since the roads are littered in fine oppossom burgers, and steaks...

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News Item7/15/19 4:58 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Posse comitatus is when a bunch of possums are rounded up and put in an insane asylum.
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News Item7/15/19 4:56 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
No, John, that’s a posse. A possum is when the sheriff can only find one man to ride with him.
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News Item7/15/19 4:26 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
John UK wrote: “Well they got their country back in 1948, but I'd like to see something a bit more special, such as national repentance and an acceptance that Yeshua is Christ. That would make me sit up and take some notice.”

Well, looks like you’re in luck, John. That’s exactly what you WILL see at the end of the Tribulation.

Oh goodee!

Dr Timotheus wrote:
And John doesn’t celebrate the Fourth of July. Instead, his nation celebrates Dydd Santes Dwynwen, which is totally incomprehensible to me, as Saint Dwynwen is the fellow who drove all of the possums out of Wales.
Ahem, Saint Dwynwen is a lady, patron saint of lovers like Saint Valentine. So she would have loved possums. But I don't know if she was regenerate or not. The Lord knoweth them that are his.

I've not seen a possum ever. Is that when a sheriff gets together a band of men together to go chase after a crook, having temporary authority?

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News Item7/15/19 3:50 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
And John doesn’t celebrate the Fourth of July. Instead, his nation celebrates Dydd Santes Dwynwen, which is totally incomprehensible to me, as Saint Dwynwen is the fellow who drove all of the possums out of Wales.
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News Item7/15/19 3:46 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
John UK wrote: “Well they got their country back in 1948, but I'd like to see something a bit more special, such as national repentance and an acceptance that Yeshua is Christ. That would make me sit up and take some notice.”
Well, looks like you’re in luck, John. That’s exactly what you WILL see at the end of the Tribulation.
Clever comment, Doug, but blessing Israel is not the only way for a nation to be blessed. It’s just one of the ways.
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News Item7/15/19 3:31 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
THanks, John UK, that reminds me of another weakness in the Christian dispensationalist position on Israel: if the country has only existed since 1948, then how did God bless the good ol' US of A from its founding?
And, by the way, I hope you had a pleasant 4th of July celebration!
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News Item7/15/19 3:25 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Well they got their country back in 1948, but I'd like to see something a bit more special, such as national repentance and an acceptance that Yeshua is Christ. That would make me sit up and take some notice. Otherwise - zilch.
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News Item7/15/19 12:32 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Douglas Fir wrote:
... many evangelical Christians, driven by their dispensational view of End Times, support Israel, based on one verse from the Old Testament (.."I will bless those who bless you").
Exactly! And Dispy teachers call you anti-Semitic if you disagree with them, a Strawman right out of the Devil's playbook. This is the Israeli False Dilemma: You're either for or against them; no neutrality allowed.
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News Item7/15/19 11:44 AM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Interesting that the Wall Street Journal is carrying this story. I wonder what all the Jewish stockbrokers in NYC are thinking about it--probably, those Israelis are nuts, that's why I don't bother supporting them.
Meanwhile, many evangelical Christians, driven by their dispensational view of End Times, support Israel, based on one verse from the Old Testament (.."I will bless those who bless you").
This news item reveals a bit of the reality of the current state of Israel, that it is a divided society where abortion is legal, and many other liberal measures are in effect, measures that would appall many evangelical Christians.
Some might even wonder...how can I support this country when it looks like the U.S. Democrat Party is in charge there?
Maybe that's why there is no 'Israel News Today' program on the local Christian channel, and if there is any news, it is all about the wonderful things evangelical Christians are doing there, or Messianic Jews (who probably make up the smallest religious group in that country).
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News Item7/15/19 6:47 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well everyone knows the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday. the Seventh Day Adventists have it right on that one!

Travel Israel wrote:
What is Shabbat?

Spending Shabbat in Jerusalem is a special experience.

Shabbat is the Jewish day of rest. It starts at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday evening when the new week begins. Religious Jews do not work during Shabbat and this extends to using electronic equipment and cooking. They mark the start of the 24 hour period by lighting candles and visiting the synagogue for prayers and to sing traditional liturgical blessings, which is followed by the Shabbat Dinner, a festive family meal....

excerpt from, "Shabbat in Jerusalem"

Lighting up a cigarette during Shabbat isn't kosher either.

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News Item7/15/19 1:23 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
I visited in Israel about 25 years ago. Back then, orthodox boys would throw rocks at passing cars and buses. This is nothing new but seems to have grown in intensity.

One of the things I noted in Israel back then was its strong secular nature. The keeping of the Sabbath is one of those things that always seems like the first to go. Then society picks up speed heading toward the abyss.

My mother would relate how Raleigh had only one drug store open on Sunday, which rotated between businesses, to assist the sick back when she was growing up. I remember watching changes to Sunday blue laws happen as a child. Today, there are a number of businesses that never seem to close ever but few overall do not open on Sunday. In many regards, Sunday has become another Saturday instead of a Sabbath-like day of rest from labors.

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