Teens reject confirmation in protest of church's anti-LGBT stance
A group of teenagers decided not to stand by and watch as the United Methodist Church voted in favor of anti-LGBT measures.
The confirmation class of 2019 was all set to finally become full members of their church -- the First United Methodist Church in Omaha, Nebraska -- after a year of learning about their faith and exploring their beliefs.
But when it came time to join, the eight teens decided against it.
"We want to be clear that, while we love our congregation, we believe that the United Methodist policies on LGBTQ+ clergy and same sex marriage are immoral," the group wrote in a statement. "We are concerned that if we join at this time, we will be sending a message that we approve of this decision."...
US, your comments to anyone, and on any subject matter, are always kind and gracious. You're consistent, and always respectful, so keep pressing on, because it's a fine example of striving to be Christ-like, and an area that I need to work on my own self. I always admire consistency, because it shows that a person is the real deal.
As I've said before, many, many times, if anyone wants to quote me and then ask your question, please do so, and I will get back to you. But vague accusations and ill-will, no, I will not waste my time replying.
Tim, it is a simple fact that many Christian people have not grown at all from the time they were a babe in Christ. It is one of the saddest things to witness what ought to be a grown and mature Christian man, one who could be a mentor to the younger ones, acting as if they were still in Kindergarten, and delighting in being a bully towards those who think differently from their IFB hardline attitude.
If you wish to sing hymns every Sunday, I am not going to condemn you. I have tried to show you what living biblically is like, but your mind has been made up since a long time ago, and nothing will shift it. Okay, I tried, and I wish you every blessing. I forgive you for your nastiness, because I enjoy great peace in my heart, and I am so sorry that your's is full of bitterness and anger.
Now if you wish, I can help you out of those traits, by showing you what the Bible teaches. But I fear you will just reject the scriptures and carry on just as you are.
What are you feeling right now? Are you feeling godly?
Why, John? I could as easily ask you why. Why do you act as if you are wiser, more knowledgeable, and more spiritual than anyone else who posts hereon? Why do you question the salvation of those who disagree with your pompous attitude and misguided opinions? Why donât you answer legitimate objections to your cultish insistence that we must sing only psalms in the church? And above all, why do you equate disagreement with yourself with opposition to God? But instead I will ask myself why I continue to read and respond to the nonsense I read in these threads. Why, Tim, why?
Is there no-one who believes what it says in verse 12. Read it carefully, think about it, and ask yourself a question.
Hebrews 2:9-12 KJV (9)Â But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (10)Â For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (11)Â For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, (12)Â Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Tim, you wanted scripture, you've got scripture. Why do you have to continue being so nasty? Are you truly born again? If you are born again, why do you mock me as the soldiers mocked Christ? Why do you say, "Let us bow down before him."?
Do you not believe that Jesus sings praise to God the Father in the midst of his church? That he declares the name of God to his brethren?
Ah, such unbelief. And such fruit of the sinful nature. But I forgive you and hope for better things from you, Tim.
Now that Eliphaz has come out in the open and appealed to a superior experience, rather than referring to scripture, there is no more to say. Let us bow before him and crown him fourth in the kingdom. No, waitâmethinks I hear him singing: âHow great I am. How grea-a-at I am!â
Teens = more than one. So maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 6. Sounds like they just wanted to get their names in the news. Too bad. They will be forgotten, just like their congregation and denomination. Even the Southern Baptists, the largest denomination in the USA, has noted a decline in their numbers. (Of course, the Invisible Church grows every year; I hear they are having their Big Annual Invisible Church Convention this weekend in Saudi Arabia, or was it Iran?). Meanwhile, at the southern border of the USA, thousands of Future Members of the Catholic Church and Democrat Socialist Party members are crossing, crying out 'asylum' as they learned on their well financed caravans in air conditioned luxury buses from Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc. It's getting so bad down there that elementary school teachers are losing their jobs because there are not enough kids to fill their classes---they are being rented out to go with singles on these caravans to make them look like families (I mean, seriously, do you think your tax dollars are paying for DNA tests at the border? And measles, TB, cholera, etc testing?)
Your posts are unassailable truth, thus mine are meaningless dribble. No point in responding to what youâve posted, it is the final say in any matter. Thus you stated missing the point because I was clueless.
1 Come, Thou Fount of every blessing, Tune my heart to sing Thy grace; Streams of mercy, never ceasing, Call for songs of loudest praise. Jesus sought me when a stranger, Wandâring from the face of God; He, to save my soul from danger, Interposed His precious blood. 2 O to grace how great a debtor Daily Iâm constrained to be! Let that grace, Lord, like a fetter, Bind my wandâring heart to Thee. Teach me, Lord, some rapturous measure, Meet for me Thy grace to prove, While I sing the countless treasure Of my Godâs unchanging love. 3 Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it; Prone to leave the God I love: Take my heart, oh, take and seal it With Thy Spirit from above. Rescued thus from sin and danger, Purchased by the Saviorâs blood, May I walk on earth a stranger, As a son and heir of God.
Robert Robinson was an English clergyman who lived in the 18th century. Not only was he a gifted pastor and preacher he was also a highly gifted poet and hymn writer. However, after many years in the pastorate his faith began to drift. He left the ministry and finished up in France, indulging himself in sin. One night he was riding in a carriage with a Parisian socialite who had recently been converted to Christ. She was interested in his opinion on some poetry she was reading: "Come thou Fount of every blessing, Tune my heart to sing thy grace, Streams of mercy never failing, Call for hymns of loudest praise". When she looked up from her reading the socialite noticed Robinson was crying. âWhat do I think of it?â he asked in a broken voice. âI wrote it. But now Iâve drifted away from him and canât find my way back.â âBut donât you seeâ the woman said gently, âThe way back is written right here in the third line of your poem: 'Streams of mercy never ceasing'. Those streams are flowing even here in Paris tonight.â That night Robinson recommitted his life to Christ.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: For clarification John, are you saying that if one doesnât sing a Psalm when he is merry, is he committing a sin of omission?
That is what you could call a TIC question, bro.
Now I am quite aware that I have the advantage over all of you gainsayers, having studied the subject indepth now for a number of years, and having had the experience of the Holy Ghost teaching new covenant doctrines from the singing of the psalms in worship, which thing was quite an eye-opener, especially regarding what God meant by Zion etc. As also having the experience of Jesus himself being within the company, not only being there, but singing also to God the Father with us, which thing was most remarkable, and never before experienced in the singing of manmade or entertaining hymns.
But I digress. What I wanted to say was that it makes me chuckle to myself (I do apologise) when those who decry John Wesley's Christian Perfection doctrine, actually sing about it regularly through his hymns, and even ask God FOR it. And they don't realise it! How funny is that? (I apologise again). Folks, you are sooooooooo funny at times. And I am very sorry. But now I am merry, and whatever shall I do?
Songs of praise other than the Psalms were composed, sung, and accepted by God as legitimate worship both before and after the Psalms were written. However, this doesnât gibe with our preconceived ideas, so letâs pretend it never happened. Psalms are to be accompanied by harps and other instruments. This is made clear in the scriptures, and is inherent in the very meaning of the word âpsalms.â But letâs ignore this also; doesnât fit what we have already decided to do. God expressly forbids altering His Word, even for a âgoodâ cause such as making part of His Word easier and more pleasant to sing. But letâs ignore this, too. After all, our minds are made up, and the introduction of facts can only lead to confusion. Your theory has several gaping holes, John, and cannot be defended without ignoring scripture.
Yes, James never said, "Wait until you are afflicted, and then only can you pray." Quite so, ridiculous. Paul said to "pray without ceasing".
Can we sing psalms to the Lord apart from when we are merry? Of course. That would be ridiculous to limit it to such a time. Paul again said, "When ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm......" Was it only the merry ones who brought a psalm? No, of course not. That would be ridiculous.
As for worship and its accomplishment being a thing of the heart, I agree in part and I disagree in part.
1. As James quoted, worship has to be in spirit and in truth. As you say, the Jews sought to follow the rules. Those who didn't, got into serious trouble, and the OT is littered with dead Jews who were judged by God.
2. How do we ascertain what God regards as right and wrong? Or is there no such thing any more? I believe there is right and wrong, objective truth, which is the same for all men. How do we know it? 1. By studying scripture? or 2. By direct revelation (mysticism) apart from scripture?
Or, Mike, is there a third one? 3. By studying scripture and being taught by the Holy Ghost from the word?
1 can be done by unbelievers. 2 is heresy. 3 is correct.
James 5:13 KJV (13) Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
John, I'm well aware afflictions are a good time for prayer. I'm also aware that James didn't expect his verse to be taken for a pray-only-when-afflicted command. Exclusivity to affliction, not prayer itself, is the issue. Similarly with the psalm segment.
btw as you know, prayer is communication, and that is ongoing throughout life, good times and bad. Worship is not nailed to following a procedure, but comes from the heart. Your heart and mine. The Jews of that time thought if they followed the rules, whether the right rules or the ones they made up in their minds, they would be right with God. But their hearts were not right with God because it was their way, not God's. You well point out who it is singing psalms these days, and makes the heart issue clear. No doubt they think they bless God.
James 5:13 KJV (13)Â Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
[let him pray; to God that can save him; in the name of Christ; under the influence of the Spirit; believing in the word of promise. Times of afflictions are proper times for prayer; there is then more especially need of it; and God sometimes lays his afflicting hand upon his people, when they have been negligent of their duty, and he has not heard of them for some time, in order to bring them near to him, to seek his face, pay him a visit, and pour out a prayer before him; see Psalm 50:15. Barnes.]
Mike, afflictions often come from our Father, by way of chastisements. Prayer is very needful at such a time.
Now about these psalms. There are many who pay lip service to the Bible and just do their own thing. For example, the text is clear (even if it didn't mean exclusive) that we are to sing psalms, "let him sing psalms". The rest of the NT testifies that we are to sing psalms (whether exclusively or not) in corporate worship. So where is all this psalm singing? Oh, we'll find it in Catholic monasteries, in the Episcopal Church, in the Orthodox Church....