John Lee, A striker means physically abusive, not disciplining children the Bible way.
If you skim down to verse 4 you see, "One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;".
The way to keep keep your "children in subjection", is to discipline them the Biblical way...which some brothers have already pointed out the applicable scriptures below.
Christopher000 wrote: Sorry John, I was in a hurry earlier, which is why my follow-up was so short. Anyway, yes, it's a modern proverb, but the same basic meaning, nevertheless. You aren't alone, and I'd bet most Christians believe it to be an actual verse of scripture. I did for most of my life. I wanted to go back to your original thoughts, and wondering if your position has changed at all, keeping in mind what I said earlier:
Christopher, my biblical stance is what the Bible says. This is truth and is unchangeable.
What I said was that I preferred sanctions rather than actual physical violence. I do not like violence, I have a very soft heart.
Thankfully, I have never been in a position to test this out, so on my part it is mere speculation what I would do.
1 Timothy 3:2-4 KJV (2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; (3) Not given to wine, **no striker**, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; (4) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
John UK Wrote: "Thank you Andrew, you put me straight on that one. I always thought it was a biblical verse, but it transpires it is a modern proverb, based upon Bible verses."
Sorry John, I was in a hurry earlier, which is why my follow-up was so short. Anyway, yes, it's a modern proverb, but the same basic meaning, nevertheless. You aren't alone, and I'd bet most Christians believe it to be an actual verse of scripture. I did for most of my life.
I wanted to go back to your original thoughts, and wondering if your position has changed at all, keeping in mind what I said earlier:
"I'm not saying that the Proverb intends for children to be physically punished as the only means of correction...proper guidance and appropriate discipline."
I'd never advocate beatings, either, or grabbing a 2x4 instead of a switch, etc. Yes, when you love a child, like your friend does his, it's heartbreaking too see them hurt and in tears, but hopefully the end justifies the means.
Andrew Clements wrote: Actually, the Bible (Proverbs 13 24) does not say, "Spare the rod, spoil the child", but: "He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly."
Thank you Andrew, you put me straight on that one. I always thought it was a biblical verse, but it transpires it is a modern proverb, based upon Bible verses.
Fathers can look at the perfect Father.
Proverbs 3:11-12 KJV (11) My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: (12) For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Proverbs 23:13-14 (13) Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. (14) Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
I'm not saying that the Proverb intends for children to be physically punished as the only means of correction...proper guidance and appropriate discipline.
Christopher000 wrote: Good morning, John... ... Did I get you to re-think your position at all, or no? The passive parent is always doomed, and sanctions alone rarely correct an unruly child, if ever at all.
Good morning Christopher. Years ago, I knew a very dear Christian brother who was filled with the love of God. He and I used to evangelise together. He was married with children and he used to spank them very hard with much weeping. And boy, could he weep! Afterwards he would give them a cuddle and tell them why he spanked them, out of love for them, his tears dripping down onto their little faces.
Is there a Bible solution? Or should I say, does God have anything to say about it? "Spare the rod, spoil the child."
If you can work out what that means, you have my position on the matter. Is this not so?
Sanctions just don't work on many kids, and sanctions most definitely don't earn any respect for a parents authority in matters of discipline, and as head of household. A child faced with "sanctions", and when they know the worst punishment they have to fear are these sanctions, such as having their smartphone taken away, or being grounded, the sky is the limit on their language, name calling, and even physical encounters. Why should any kid hold back when they know the worst punishment they'll face is some sanction?
I've seen it many, many times where the kids will scream vulgarities, call names, and throw things when getting punished, and being informed of their upcoming "sanctions". They have nothing to fear but being inconvenienced, so the sky is the limit on how they rage.
Now, the other thing I've seen many, many times is how children respond when they know any mis-behavior, or acting out, will be met with a spanking. I'm not talking about beating with boards, but skin to skin, a solution that has always had excellent results.
Did I get you to re-think your position at all, or no? The passive parent is always doomed, and sanctions alone rarely correct an unruly child, if ever at all.
Without personal experience of this, I myself would prefer to use sanctions rather than a rod. Physically striking a growing child with a lump of wood could have terrible consequences, especially if, unknown to the parent, it has little bone strength, or a tendency for blood to clot in the arteries.
Because, Dr. Tim, LDS/Mormonism serves just another false god like the one of these people's imagination. That Smith character would have to be right for them to do what you suggest. And, Colossians 1, John 1:1-3 & Hebrews 1 say all things were created by Jesus Christ and without Him nothing was made that was made.
All these efforts against the Lord have been tried before and failed miserably. Psalm 2 applies.
Since the people who want to overturn God’s precepts obviously consider themselves smarter than God, why don’t they create a universe of their own and go live in it?
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