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FRONT PAGE  |  9/19/2019
SUNDAY, APR 7, 2019  |  21 comments
Major study debunks myth that moderate drinking can be healthy
Blood pressure and stroke risk rise steadily the more alcohol people drink, and previous claims that one or two drinks a day might protect against stroke are not true, according to the results of a major genetic study.

The research, which used data from a 160,000-strong cohort of Chinese adults, many of whom are unable to drink alcohol due to genetic intolerance, found that people who drink moderately - consuming 10 to 20 grams of alcohol a day - raise their risk of stroke by 10 to 15 percent.

For heavy drinkers, consuming four or more drinks a day, blood pressure rises significantly and the risk of stroke increases by around 35 percent, the study found. ...


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News Item4/8/19 2:51 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Not a major study, since it only involves Chinese, and even the article says it could not be done in Western countries because Westerners do not have the same genetic makeup that Chinese have (which makes them intolerant of drinking).
Not to say that Chinese or Japanese don't drink or get drunk. Just that their bodies are different from 'round-eyed' Westerners.
To add to info on the amount of alcohol consumption, USA is at 9.1 liters (of pure alcohol), which is like 21.16 liters of whisky or bourbon or gin at 86 proof, which is 715 ounces per year, which is 13.75 ounces every week!
So, if most of the SA posters are not drinking this much, who is? Think about that! For every ten people you know that do not drink, there are others 'taking up the slack' which means they are drinking more than those 13.75 ounces every week.
It is astonishing, and makes you wonder why more people are not killed in alcohol-related car crashes, industrial accidents, fires, etc.
And then, when you think that the US is way down on the World Consumption, with Belorusia leading the way at nearly double (17.1 liters per capita per year), it makes you wonder how Anything Gets Done in the World!
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News Item4/8/19 1:50 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
sc wrote:
Those mocking...said "new wine" in ignorance just as those who accused Christ of being a wine bibber were in ignorance.
Our joy comes from the new covenant through our Saviour's blood, not by way of a booze buzz.
There is no comparison.
They were ignorant of what they were seeing happen not ignorant of the effects of new wine which Peter readily acknowledged.

Others falsely accused Christ of over indulgence in both wine and food, that was not ignorance but a known false accusation as our Lord said He came both eating and drinking, obviously not to excess in either area.

Couldn't agree more joy comes from our Lord not from whatever temporary effects one might receive from the consumption of alcohol. I don't believe anyone has advocated the opposite.

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News Item4/8/19 1:03 PM
sc  Find all comments by sc
Those mocking...said "new wine" in ignorance just as those who accused Christ of being a wine bibber were in ignorance.
Our joy comes from the new covenant through our Saviour's blood, not by way of a booze buzz.
There is no comparison.
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News Item4/8/19 12:17 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)
Psalm 104:15 “And wine that maketh glad the heart of man...”
“wine” = in Hebrew “yayin” (Strongs H3196)
“From an unused root meaning to effervesce ; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].”

Isaiah 65:8 “...As the new wine is found in the cluster...”
“new wine” = in Hebrew “tı̂yrôsh” (Strongs H8492)
“From H3423 in the sense of expulsion ; must or fresh grape juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine: - (new, sweet) wine.”

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News Item4/8/19 12:01 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
sc wrote:
Buckeyes- In Luke 22:20 the cup = the new covenant in His blood.
Oil is often a representation of the Holy Spirit.
Wine is in the cluster of the grape on the vine (Isaiah 65:8)...clearly not alcoholic
Isiah 65:8a

Thus saith the Lord, As the NEW WINE is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it:

Acts 2
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of NEW WINE.

14 But Peter... said unto them

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose,

Clearly it is alcoholic.

btw, no one has said that every mention of wine in Scripture is in relation to alcohol on any of these threads.

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News Item4/8/19 11:17 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
Buckeyes- In Luke 22:20 the cup = the new covenant in His blood.
Oil is often a representation of the Holy Spirit.
Wine is in the cluster of the grape on the vine (Isaiah 65:8)...clearly not alcoholic

so...in God's Wisdom, He has allowed for those who are carnally minded to interpret "wine" as alcohol in many instances when it is not and has given the distinction and discernment to those who are spiritually minded

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News Item4/8/19 10:51 AM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Frank wrote:
And praise the Lord that He delivered you! For much of my younger years, I was a drunk, but not an alcoholic. IOW, I could take it or leave it, but I simply chose to take it. Because alcohol is an addicting substance, I never recommend anyone use it. But, if someone uses it in moderation, I never condemn them or accuse them of sinning.
Amen brother, God be praised. What wonderful things he does, in the hearts of men!

"Because alcohol is an addicting substance, I never recommend anyone use it. But, if someone uses it in moderation, I never condemn them or accuse them of sinning."

Amen Frank, this also is my position on the subject.

The older I get, the more I praise him for saving my life, and also my soul. He is truly a Saviour who saves. I love those two words, "Jesus Saves!" And he saves all who come unto God by him.

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News Item4/8/19 10:40 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John Lee wrote:
Carl, thank you for writing that. Just for your encouragement, the Lord brought me to cease from alcohol in 1979, and by his grace I have not touched any since. And considering I used to drink like a fish and get drunk regularly, I consider it a miracle of his grace, that he might be praised. At the same time I ceased from all drugs also, and never went back to them. And he is still working change in my heart, some of which is quite painful or difficult, but he has an end in sight.
And praise the Lord that He delivered you! For much of my younger years, I was a drunk, but not an alcoholic. IOW, I could take it or leave it, but I simply chose to take it. Because alcohol is an addicting substance, I never recommend anyone use it. But, if someone uses it in moderation, I never condemn them or accuse them of sinning.
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News Item4/8/19 10:38 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
sc wrote:
How can a country say "no" to drugs when it pushes booze?
Note the words of our Lord

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not

He went on to describe them several times in the rest of the chapter as hypocrites but He did not say that made what they said that was correct, wrong to follow.

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News Item4/8/19 10:25 AM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Carl Haydock wrote:
I can't stand alcohol anymore, haven't touched a drop in 6 years. I have drank alcohol while I've been a christian but didn't get drunk.
Carl, thank you for writing that. Just for your encouragement, the Lord brought me to cease from alcohol in 1979, and by his grace I have not touched any since. And considering I used to drink like a fish and get drunk regularly, I consider it a miracle of his grace, that he might be praised. At the same time I ceased from all drugs also, and never went back to them. And he is still working change in my heart, some of which is quite painful or difficult, but he has an end in sight.
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News Item4/8/19 10:16 AM
Unprofitable servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable servant
sc wrote:
Abortion is murder, Unprofitable.
You were pointing out that it was hypocritical to say no to one drug and push another. The fact that abortion is murder was my point, even though there is clear hypocrisy and double standard, we don't make other murders legal just because it is sanctioned against babies. Thus it is not bad, either, to tell young people to avoid illegal drugs (still great advice even from the mouth of a drug addict)despite the hypocrisy and double standard of pushing legal ones.
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News Item4/8/19 9:50 AM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)
"He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart." ~ Psalm 104:14-15
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News Item4/8/19 8:58 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
Abortion is murder, Unprofitable.
Alcohol is a depressant (drug).
If the government can make money off of it, any deterrent will probably not work,
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News Item4/8/19 8:52 AM
Carl Haydock | England  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl Haydock
I can't stand alcohol anymore, haven't touched a drop in 6 years. I have drank alcohol while I've been a christian but didn't get drunk.
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News Item4/7/19 5:09 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
I believe the just say no campaign was aimed at illegal drugs and prohibition wasn’t exactly a roaring success at stemming the imbibing of alcohol

Besides hypocrisy is not a good reason to keep laws off the books. We are glad murder is illegal despite abortion and stealing is outlawed even though the government practices legal plunder

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News Item4/7/19 2:56 PM
sc  Find all comments by sc
One need not do research apart from the Word.
Alcohol bites.

It's worse than any drug out there and it is most readily available.
How can a country say "no" to drugs when it pushes booze?

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News Item4/7/19 2:51 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Douglas Fir wrote:
"Major Study'? Not sure I agree. Only Chinese were studied, and we all know they cannot tolerate drinking.
Let's see a similar study done with 160,000 adults in the US.
...
Most of the highest consumption countries are in Europe.
From the article

"The research team - including scientists from Oxford and Peking universities and the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, said it would be impossible to do a study of this kind in Western populations, since almost no-one there has the relevant alcohol-intolerance gene variants.

But the findings about the biological effects of alcohol should be the same for all people worldwide, they said.

Europe has the highest per person alcohol consumption in the world, even though it has dropped by around 10 percent since 2010, the WHO says, and current trends point to a global rise in per capita consumption in the next 10 years."

Now maybe it is because I don't drink and also the fact that they were looking at average consumption and dividing into per day, but I don't see how a person (using their figures) who drinks either 2 beers or 2 glasses of wine or 2 shots of liquor everyday is said to be drinking in moderation.

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News Item4/7/19 1:12 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
"Major Study'? Not sure I agree. Only Chinese were studied, and we all know they cannot tolerate drinking.
Let's see a similar study done with 160,000 adults in the US.
Each country has different rates of consumption--check yourself on the internet and you'll find Belorussia leads the way with over 17 liters of pure alcohol annually per capita for people over 15. That is an astonishing amount!
If vodka is 100 proof (50 percent), then that's 34 liters per year, or nearly 3 liters per month.
Most of the highest consumption countries are in Europe.
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News Item4/7/19 10:32 AM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
Moderate drinking can get some people hurt...

My aunt was at a family party, and drank one ounce of beer. A couple minutes later, the family was on the phone with 911 getting a ambulance. She had a severe reaction to the alcohol and it almost killed her...

Alcohol is the only drink that can cause drunkenness. A sin in the light of the scriptures.

I think I'll drink other stuff instead...

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News Item4/7/19 9:59 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
From the article:
Reuters wrote:
....
The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that around 2.3 billion people worldwide drink alcohol, with average per person daily consumption at 33 grams of pure alcohol a day. That is roughly equivalent to two 150 ml glasses of wine, a large (750 ml) bottle of beer or two 40 ml shots of spirits....
excerpt from, "the SA article"

Phillip, it really sounds like you're non-drinker, which is fine , so am I. But the availability and cheapness booze in this country is terrible. It is in every grocery store and drug store. So, it is just not realistic to assume the average person has that little of alcohol that you suggest--sadly. 🍺

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