Christian B&B Owner Forced to Serve LGBT Couples After Supreme Court Rejects Appeal
The US Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal from a Christian bed and breakfast owner who was ordered by a lower court to serve a lesbian couple despite it being a violation of her religious beliefs.
The Supreme Court rejected the appeal Monday, thus upholding the lower court's ruling in favor of the lesbian couple. Now, litigation will continue to determine what penalty the Christian business owner must face.
Phyllis Young, the owner of Aloha Bed & Breakfast in Honolulu, Hawaii, refused to rent a room in her home to Diane Cervili and Taeko Bufford in 2007 due to her religious beliefs about marriage. Cervili and Bufford sued Young over her actions and accused her of discriminating against them because of their sexuality....
Rom 16:1Â -4Â I commend unto you Phebe our sister, ... for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.Â Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
Guess Paul didnât understand that reasonable service meant no commendation of fellow believers
These are your exact words (emphasis add is mine)
Hopefully, the OWNER hasn't served couple who aren't married. Otherwise, THEY ARE very hypocritical.
You criticized the owner as a possible hypocrite and didnât bother to rescind it when your assumption was proven untrue.
Please note what is missing. There is no sadness expressed about those who in your opinion go astray. There is no saying you are seeking the Lord on their behalf that they would be restored and experience the joy of forgiveness There is no "but for the grace of God there go I." But there is criticism.
We should read Romans 14:19 and Ephesians 4:29 and ask how do I line up? Consider the characteristics of spiritual wisdom found in James 3:17. As I said before we are all a work in progress and have much of our own selves to mourn and mortify. Honest introspection makes one gracious with others.
ladybug wrote: sc, I see you are still wrongly accusing - now where did I state I follow the vain tradition of 'holy days'? I do not celebrate Christmas, but I do NOT rail against those who choose to gather with their families at that time. I do not celebrate Easter, so again, your accusations are false. Will you repent of these? You make up your own definitions as to what 'nakedness' means, or 'immorality'. You label everything and one outside of your views as sinning. That is what the Pharisees did. The quote from Bridges suits you to a 'T'. However, you won't see your own sins unless God opens your understanding by the new birth. I pray He does so, lest you hear 'Depart from me'. It is pointless to debate you, for you are above reproach and sit on your own throne judging and condemning others, never once taking time to look into your own heart. Self righteous people never see their need for Christ.
Why don't you celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus on Resurrection Sunday(Easter Sunday)? That is being satanic just like the Jehovah Witness Cult.
Offering our bodies is reasonable service. Ladybug, you like to throw around the phrase pharisee very loosely. I do not advocate adherence to ceremonial rites or oral traditions, which, interestingly enough, many of those who love traditions of men and man made "holy days", actually do. You, ladybug, by following after the vain traditions of "holy days" would fit better into that category than I. I only go along with Scriptures in regards to immorality and nakedness. Unprofitable, I did not criticize the owner. Please reread without bias. If I am being judgmental in my disdain for hypocrisy and its ill effects on the lost, so be it. God is more so.
sc wrote: And not sinning is not praiseworthy. It is reasonable service. .
We have shown in a previous post commendation given by Paul and our Lord. We find our Lord specifically commending churches for not sinning.
In the sc world, we can criticize (as in this post) but not commend. Here you were willing to criticize a lady for hypocrisy but when she did the opposite, it was no big deal, you didnât even say you were glad she did that which was right. A critical spirit is not a good thing, may God give you grace to overcome it.
sc I wonder how many unregenerate sinners would be attracted to your brand of religion sc? If I recall, the Pharisees had over 600 rules to follow, are you to that number yet?
"For the Pharisees, God is primarily one who makes demands. For them, the Scriptures of the Old Testament were a set of rules that must be kept at all costs. For Jesus, as well as the Old Testament believers, God is primarily âgracious and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast loveâ. Not only did they devise these hundreds of man-made rules, but they had also elevated them to the level of Scripture, so that to break one of their rules was to violate the law of God itself. And yet these rules not only obscured the true intent of Godâs law, but also, in some cases, actually violated it.--- We need to be careful that we do not add our own man-made rules to the Scriptures.--- Some convictions that we hold dearly may be derived more from our particular Christian culture than derived from Scripture, and we need to learn to discern the differences. It is okay to have cultural convictions, but we should be careful that we do not elevate them to the same authority as Scripture. So much judgmentalism among Christians today occurs because we do this.' Jerry Bridges
I did not make a back door accusation. And not sinning is not praiseworthy. It is reasonable service. So many Christians are so zealous to come against sodomites but are hypocritical in that they make allowances for their pet sexually deviant sins. Most don't even know what constitutes nakedness according to Scripture. "Holy days" and "nakedness" seemingly are relative. These Christians are a great hindrance to unbelievers who see little difference between them and the world except to come against sodomites. How many thousands of parades have we watched with all kinds of deviance in them like witchcraft,immodesty,nakedness,pride,idols,etc. before "gay pride" parades came on the scene? If the world doesn't see consistency in us but rather a double standard then they will be turned off to Christianity and rightly so.
Sc, it is good that in a day and age when so-called Christianity is portrayed as the real thing that people like you stand up against sin and compromise. You will note that when the subject of the news deals with fornication, adultery, drunkenness, etc. they are spoken against by several in this forum
The same could be said for pride, stubbornness, ingratitude, praylessness, etc whenever the topic is breached people speak out against it.
Neither of those list of things often make up what is covered in the news. It is inaccurate to say that because people are commenting on whatâs in the news that they are therefore winking at other societal or personal sins.
We all do well to heed II Cor. 10:12 and I Cor.15:10 when commenting as it is only the grace of God that makes us what we are.
who here has stated they side with all you listed? Can you point out directly who agrees with the unregenerate ways?
This all started because YOU made a back door accusation against the owners of the b&b, then you were proven wrong, but you refuse to see. It seems once again, your own logs in your eyes keep you from seeing your vile self, but you have no problem in falsely accusing others - which is sin sc. NO ONE here condones adultery, sodomy, drunkenness, nakedness, etc. Only in your mindset is everyone outside of you 'guilty'. Again, I refer you to the Apostle Paul's words 'examine YOURSELF'. 2 Cor. 13:5 - then go to Matthew 7:5. You desperately need to obey God's word , and you need to cease from your sinful false accusations against the brethren. US, Chris, Tim, Frank and myself all know our own hearts, we know we are vile sinners laid in the dust by God's truth, and raised up by the pulley of faith given by His grace. You have gone too far this time sc, your rants and accusing the brethren are the same as the enemy of God's people.
Psalm 81: 9There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.
10I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
11But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.
12So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.
13Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!
14I should soon have subdued their enemies, and turned my hand against their adversaries.
Fornicators,adulterers,idolaters,drunkards, to name a few are included with the effeminate and sodomites as far as those who will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
So, of course, a defender of the truth will not take lightly that which is so dire. God has not changed His mind in regards as to what is following after other gods or heathen ways. Nakedness and man made "holy days" will be offensive to followers of Christ. Democrats and sodomites can change but those who are blind and think that they see are hopeless.
United Airlines announced today that they are now proud to offer non-binary, and trans booking options to their passangers. They went on to say that they are putting their employees through tolerance and diversity training, in order to offer the best experience, etc., to all customers.
A non-binary woman, for example, will only want to be referred to as, they, them, and, theirs. Anything outside of that, like having the nerve to use any pronouns that would refer to her as the female that she is, is considered a flagrant violation of her safe space, and an open insult to her non-identity. Crazy stuff.
Sc, maybe it would be good to remember that is a news site and people discuss the stories here. There is not a lot of discussion (not silence but not a lot of talk) about the Democrats or sodomites at church and we have plenty to do.
You seem to be contending by your statement here that Christians donât fight the world, the flesh and the devil. They donât teach and practice separation from the world. Again, not sure why you have such a negative view of Christians. It pops up frequently. When a fellow believers compromise with sin it should lead us to consider what areas we also have to deal with in our own lives. We donât want to be in violation of I Corinthians 10:12 and II Corinthians 10:12.
Christianity isnât a list of doâs and donâts, it is heart relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. (Proverbs 4:23) the Bible reminds us that He that has begun a good work will complete it and one day present us faultless before his throne. A day for which we long, but in the meantime all of us are a work in progress. It might be a good time to consider your attitude toward fellow believers and honestly say but for the grace of God there go I. Admonitions by brethren shouldnât be tossed overboard but taken with all humility in prayer before God.
Good morning sc I see you are still escaping any blame on projecting it on others. You also believe we would have 'nothing to do' if it weren't for sodomites and democrats, that is a bit of a stretch on your part. We could say the same for you, only change the wording to holidays, sports, cheerleaders and sex. That seems to be your obsession according to a close examination of your very own words. I don't recall anyone here saying they were not offended by adulterers, glamorized sexuality, and graphic, lewd entertainment. Now, if you could ever back your view with scripture, which is what God uses to convict, then we might see the 'error of our ways'. You seem to hold your opinion higher than the word of God. You also make this off the wall statement, "Sodomites in this country is judgment against the house of God." How so sc? Can you give scriptural support for this? If you read Romans 1 carefully and prayerfully, you will see the reason behind sodomy. As for what the unregenerate love - sin - how are we to blame for what they do sc? Would it be possible to respond using the word of God to show us why your accusations are founded? If not, then you need to repent of wrongly accusing others who don't meet your opinions.
Yes, âsc,â what comes out of the mouth does reveal what is in the heart. Your own words reveal unbounded pride and an unrepentant attitude, just like the older brother in the story of the Prodigal Son. I hope that by the loving grace of God you will someday overcome your superior complex. When you have publicly repented and apologized for your prideful posts, I will gladly accept your apology and treat you as a true sister in Christ. Until that time I will treat you just like your brother Jim Lincoln. IOW, I will completely ignore you.
Christopher, I consider the source so am not offended. Alcohol does impair judgment and those who are in a pattern of sin or who love the world's ways like to call others legalistic. "Doc", what comes out the mouth, reveals what is in the heart. Lb, there is a vast difference between wondering whether or not someone is saved based on their lifestyle choices which are vile and saying that one is not saved. I honestly believe if Christians didn't have the sodomites or democrats with which to take issue that many would have nothing to do. A convenient distraction. There was a time when Christians would have been more offended by glamorized sexuality and adulterers and graphic,vile,lewd entertainment but those things have all been "deemed clean" by many who profess to walk in the light. Sodomites in this country is judgment against the house of God. This country loves its whores and whoremongering movies and entertainment so what else could be expected than something which it deems sexually worse (sodomy) to get in our faces? Maybe we would consider our ways.
US Wrote: "As mentioned earlier there are degrees of punishment in hell. (Matthew 11, Luke 10). Even our Lord talked about the greater sin (John 19:11) Also, we wouldn't have such a thing as an unpardonable sin..."
Well said, US. I noticed the initial comment last night, along with the implication, by the screen name, that we need to read the whole Bible, because our understanding is limited, and lacking.
Sin is only sin, as far as the word, and the definition itself is concerned...sin=wrongdoing, in general, and encompasses every single instance of any wrongdoing that mankind is capable of.
That said, as you already stated, scripture is clear that there are degrees of eternal suffering, which clearly means that there are sins more aggregious than others. One man steals a pack of gum from a convenience store, and another man abducts, rapes, and murders a child. One man pays for a coffee, realizes that the cashier is handing him too much change, but he says nothing, while another man loves, and is married to his same gender partner. One man worships mammon, while another dedicates himself to, and worships, Satan.
The point is that while all of these instances are sin, "reading", scripture clearly shows that the punishments aren't one for all, and all for one.
Reading the whole bible wrote: Not sure why every Christians get so hung up on LGBT issues. If you read the Bible sin is sin.
There is a sense in which your implication is true. All sin stands on equal footing as an affront to a holy God. All sin needs to be confessed, forsaken, mourned, and mortified. But to say all sin stand on equal footing as to their heinousness in God's sight is not found in Scripture. If there is no difference then there wouldn't be few stripes and many stripes.(Luke 12:47,48.) The caught thief had to restore fourfold, the caught sodomite was stoned to death. As mentioned earlier there are degrees of punishment in hell. (Matthew 11, Luke 10). Even our Lord talked about the greater sin (John 19:11) Also, we wouldn't have such a thing as an unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31,32)
Hey "Doc"...Well, "Doc", even though she refused to reserve a room for two homosexual lovers, and had always required any unmarried couple to stay in two seperate rooms, if she sold heroin as a side gig, then she's a hipocrite, right, "Doc"?đ