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FRONT PAGE  |  2/21/2019
MONDAY, FEB 11, 2019  |  15 comments
Government pushing ahead with no-fault divorce

The Government is moving ahead with plans to change the law to allow no-fault divorce, justice secretary David Gauke has confirmed.

Mr Gauke is to introduce legislation in the next session of Parliament that will eliminate the existing need for couples to aportion blame to their spouses as grounds for the divorce.

At present, the law offers the alternative of both parties living separately by mutual agreement for two years. But in some cases, the wait is longer if the couple are unable to prove that their marriage broke down because of adultery, unreasonable behaviour or desertion, or where one spouse is contesting the divorce, in which case they must live apart for five years before they can divorce.

This will all change with the legislation being brought in by the Government after submissions to its consultation on the reforms showed broad support. ...


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News Item2/13/19 6:14 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
I believe that there has always been the elect. God has preserved both, His word and His elect, despite a relentless attach from Satan right from get go. I believe apart from God the Holy Spirit, you canot know His words.
Jn16:13 -14 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth..

A true regenerate will have a hunger to know Him and His words. We can ask with confidence that when we study his scripture he will richly bless us. Our Joy is to know him.

If you know what those before us went throu to preserve the word we have. You cannot but kiss the bible for what it’s taken to get you those words. We are so fortunate that it is so readily and easily available to us. .
All scripture is there to glorify God.

The church has always been under attack. Worst ones are from within. The church today promotes a tradition that goes against God.

The church says divorce is allowed if adultry is involved.
Bible says that all remarriages are adultry and sin. A church tradition in direct rebellion against God. We mock sin. The issue is, why did God say it the churches position was what it out to have have been

I know what you’re saying but be careful, it’s slyly Romish.

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News Item2/13/19 2:54 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
CV wrote:
Do you understand it as 99.99% of the church understands it? 98 % of evangelicals are Armiians. Pre reformation RC had most christians under its clutches. Is this what an elect looks like?
What do you understand?....
CV
Sorry don't know what a quote, "armiian" is; - Do you mean "arminian'?
Not all arminians disagree with the Orthodox Christian view on marriage.

In Pre-Reformation times God maintained His own (Elect) servants complete with faith and truth. The RCC heresies were held by the false witness religious reprobates as they are today.

I believe the Bible just as God wrote it and as HE enables the Elect to receive.

This seems pretty straight forward.
"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." (Christ's words)

Christ goes on to say:-
"All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given."

The Lord's instruction is for Christian marriage.
The worlds version is of course sinful.

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."
Also 1Cor 7:10-17. Note V15.
WE can't "control" the unsaved.

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News Item2/12/19 4:31 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Adriel wrote:
The Elect receive and comprehend this fact of the Word of God.
Do you understand it as 99.99% of the church understands it? 98 % of evangelicals are Armiians. Pre reformation RC had most christians under its clutches. Is this what an elect looks like?

What do you understand? The church believes that divorce is allowed only if there is unfaithfulness involved. Is this what you understand

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News Item2/12/19 3:40 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
God wrote the Bible.
The elect fully understand this statement.

Christ teaches in Scripture:-
Matt 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12 For there are some eunuchs,....."

The Elect receive and comprehend this fact of the Word of God.
But: As Jesus states:-
"All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given."

Praise be to God. Amen.

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News Item2/12/19 3:16 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Person wrote:
1)“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: 2)and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
If you’re serious about studying Gods word, thenn pray about it and perhaps I can help you with what I’ve learned. If you’re like most here, they rove around and hit interesting topics with what they think is out of their religiosity. They can go figure it out for themselves. To me, anyone that speaks on abortion, homosexuality, or makes any moral judgement is simply giving an opinion even if from percieved religious conviction. Gods truth is Gods truth and itt’s consistent here as elsewhere. Anyone that does not apply it here, has no right to apply it anywhere. Roving and doing a hit and run on topics is entertaining but has no power.

Mt19:9 does that verse make any sence if divorce is ONlLY allowed for cheating?

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News Item2/12/19 11:17 AM
Person | A Place  Find all comments by Person
“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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News Item2/11/19 8:07 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
There is no divorce. The bible makes no allowance for divorce! Not even ‘except for adultry ....’

The church is so entrenched in this unbiblical position, and has been for so long, that the true biblicall position now feels so foreign. For all the talk of not following man’s traditions, your own man that you are, you then dove into the bible and came up with the same wrong conclusion. Coincidentally!

Anyways, you’re neutral. Right? Not that your lack of voice against is actually a voice FOR in further solidifying the churches default position. Which then stands as a great cloud of witness that leads others to live wrong against God. But your hands are clean, for this is tha game grace was meant to cover.

IF IF IF all remarriage outside of death is adultry, then an adulterous church has no leg to stand on in defining Christian marriage or speaking against sodomite marriages.

God says that only death breaks the marriage bond. You can separate but remarriage is adultry because the marriage bond remains as long as either party is alive!

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News Item2/11/19 3:57 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Neil wrote:
Sorry, I didn't notice that was a quote before.
It's possible we heard little because folks were ashamed to mention divorce, like it was a dirty secret. My late mother-in-law, a Christian, had a very difficult marriage, yet refused to divorce. My late mother was afraid to divorce; I know a reason was fear of penury, but it may also have been the disgrace.
Today though, our culture has systematically diluted shame over anything. So Jer. 6:15 seems applicable: "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush"
Thanks for the verse Neil; it was right on. Although I had to look up what penury meant. 

The below is one I use often that basically says the same thing yours did.

Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

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News Item2/11/19 3:42 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Frank wrote:
When I was young, I never met anyone that was divorced. I'm sure they were there, but rare in my neck of the woods. The below in brackets is the cut and paste again.
Sorry, I didn't notice that was a quote before.

It's possible we heard little because folks were ashamed to mention divorce, like it was a dirty secret. My late mother-in-law, a Christian, had a very difficult marriage, yet refused to divorce. My late mother was afraid to divorce; I know a reason was fear of penury, but it may also have been the disgrace.

Today though, our culture has systematically diluted shame over anything. So Jer. 6:15 seems applicable: "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush"

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News Item2/11/19 3:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Neil wrote:
Did you forget to paste something? I don't see it. Anyway, while older divorce laws certainly didn't prevent broken marriages, they at least make it harder to be irresponsible. This is one example of how modern social legislation can reward evildoing, if not prevent it.
Divorce was rare and scandalous in my parents' generation (b. 1920s-30s). It was a big deal when one occurred in their social circle. So I was shocked when I learned, upon starting my job in the early '80s, how many coworkers were divorced.
Our '60s Cultural Revolution yielded nothing but bitter fruit. And those who came of age in that time, and run the country now, have learned nothing.
When I was young, I never met anyone that was divorced. I'm sure they were there, but rare in my neck of the woods. The below in brackets is the cut and paste again.

{{It marked the 40th anniversary of the no-fault divorce, first introduced in California in 1970. California's law (signed by then-Governor Ronald Reagan, himself a divorcee) was followed by similar laws in many states in the 1970s and early '80s Today, all states except New York offer some form of no-fault divorce.}}

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News Item2/11/19 2:40 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Divorce is crime for divine justice.

Christ states:
Matth 19:4 Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Where a nation passes laws which contradict the law of God, that nation shall be guilty of iniquity and punishable at God's Bar.

Matt 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

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News Item2/11/19 2:33 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Frank wrote:
...It is a cut and paste from the internet...
Today, all states except New York offer some form of no-fault divorce.
Did you forget to paste something? I don't see it. Anyway, while older divorce laws certainly didn't prevent broken marriages, they at least make it harder to be irresponsible. This is one example of how modern social legislation can reward evildoing, if not prevent it.

Divorce was rare and scandalous in my parents' generation (b. 1920s-30s). It was a big deal when one occurred in their social circle. So I was shocked when I learned, upon starting my job in the early '80s, how many coworkers were divorced.

Our '60s Cultural Revolution yielded nothing but bitter fruit. And those who came of age in that time, and run the country now, have learned nothing.

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News Item2/11/19 2:15 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Neil wrote:
No-default divorce, which varies by State, can be unjust. I have a relative whose scumbag husband cheated on her, but because of her higher income at the time, *she* owed spousal support according to the law in "Calipornia."
The CA law, a first as usual, was signed by a divorced male Hollywood actor.
Hey Neil!

Is this what you are referring to? It is a cut and paste from the internet.

It marked the 40th anniversary of the no-fault divorce, first introduced in California in 1970. California's law (signed by then-Governor Ronald Reagan, himself a divorcee) was followed by similar laws in many states in the 1970s and early '80s Today, all states except New York offer some form of no-fault divorce.

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News Item2/11/19 1:51 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
No-default divorce, which varies by State, can be unjust. I have a relative whose scumbag husband cheated on her, but because of her higher income at the time, *she* owed spousal support according to the law in "Calipornia."

The CA law, a first as usual, was signed by a divorced male Hollywood actor.

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News Item2/11/19 12:43 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
I think this is about England. In the good ol' USA, this has existed for a long time, though many don't even bother getting married before moving in together.
I wonder if England will look into child marriages, something common among Muslims.
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