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TUESDAY, DEC 25, 2018  |  465 comments  |  1 commentary
The Best News Ever: Christ is Born
O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.

The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.

He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. ...


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News Item1/9/19 8:34 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
On second thought, valid or not, disregard my comments...no need for any replys. I don't want anything to do with this thread, and posted once again against my better judgement.
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News Item1/9/19 8:13 AM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
James, help me out here, please:
Galatians 2:20 KJV
(20)  I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:20 Geneva
(20) I am crucified with Christ, but I liue, yet not I any more, but Christ liueth in me: and in that that I now liue in the flesh, I liue by the faith in the Sonne of God, who hath loued me, and giuen him selfe for me.
It is a great text, and one of my favourites. But if we take both of these verses literally, they say two opposite things concerning the life we now have. How would you go about arriving at the correct interpretation?
Good morning John,
I'd read on and see that in 3:2 He asks a very simple question to those in Galatia that I think ties in.

Paul was alive by(righteousness from) works of the law but the life he now lives is by the (righteousness from)faith of the Son of God, who loved Him and gave himself for Him.

I'd also go to the other places in Scripture where Paul describes the same picture...for example Phil. ch. 3.

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News Item1/9/19 7:40 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ditto to that, older than old...good riddance, best news ever thread (hopefully). Seems it turned out to be the worst news ever.

Good morning, BM...just an observation...didn't you just scorn Unprofitable Servant for the very same thing that you, yourself have always done? Seemed pretty familiar to me. US has been more than pleasant, patient, forgiving, and accommodating, throughout this discussion, if it can even be labelled as such, and has been a great example of a believer striving to be Christ-like. Nastiness comes in many forms, including subtle undertones which attempt to partially conceal condescending remarks. Let's truly be graceful, ourselves, if we're gonna demand that others exercise grace, and let's all, every one of us, examine ourselves honestly, and daily, with all humility.

Just a quick question, if you don't mind, and just for my own curiosity...knowing what you know of US, by way of his speech, demeanor, and comments over time, do you consider him a brother in Christ, or has this thread disqualified him in your mind?

This hasn't been a discussion, it's been hate-fueled, biting and devouring festival. Then, we have people like June who oozes holiness in speech, yet refuses to speak to anyone who may disagree with her in any way. Christ-like? H

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News Item1/9/19 7:39 AM
Older than old  Find all comments by Older than old
John UK wrote:
I see there are some (who prefer to remain anonymous) who are going about gnashing their teeth without good cause. Maybe they are communists who just want to close down freedom of speech. Or maybe they are Christians who have no reply to the proposition, and are worried about how they tell their wife - Xmass is out next year!
This is a classic example of what happens to those who live in their own little bubble universe for too long - they not only become impervious to criticism and self reflection but immediately deflect onto others with their holier than thou mindset. Sad. Very sad.

Ah well, as God has seen fit to leave you to your delusions, I'll not seek to disturb your sleep.

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News Item1/9/19 7:00 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
B. McCausland wrote:
No need to resort to undermining insult under cover of a Scripture verse, US.
"Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing."
On the light of this, happy reading of scripture which can make any wise unto every good work.
thanks for sharing the Scripture
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News Item1/9/19 5:10 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
In Galatians 2:20 Paul said he lived by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Seems simple enough to me.
James, help me out here, please:

Galatians 2:20 KJV
(20)  I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 2:20 Geneva
(20) I am crucified with Christ, but I liue, yet not I any more, but Christ liueth in me: and in that that I now liue in the flesh, I liue by the faith in the Sonne of God, who hath loued me, and giuen him selfe for me.

It is a great text, and one of my favourites. But if we take both of these verses literally, they say two opposite things concerning the life we now have. How would you go about arriving at the correct interpretation?
________________

I see there are some (who prefer to remain anonymous) who are going about gnashing their teeth without good cause. Maybe they are communists who just want to close down freedom of speech. Or maybe they are Christians who have no reply to the proposition, and are worried about how they tell their wife - Xmass is out next year!

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News Item1/9/19 5:03 AM
older than old  Find all comments by older than old
This thread is being kept alive by 3 women who, reading between the lines, don't attend any church and by one man who cannot seem to settle in any. In other words they have not been under the discipline of a good church and frankly it shows! I suspect if they did find a good church they'd soon be under discipline for such a censorious attitude and leave with all manner of self-justification.

It is time this thread was closed and the annual recurrence of the theme prevented.

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News Item1/9/19 2:30 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
No need to resort to undermining insult under cover of a Scripture verse, US.

"Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing."
On the light of this, happy reading of scripture which can make any wise unto every good work.

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News Item1/9/19 12:15 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
B. McCausland wrote:
1. US, you state this as mine position, that
”chapter 14 is Paul dealing with mainly the Jews and their observances of holy days"
This was not my statement. The chapter deals with the conflict of the two backgrounds.
You are moving the post.

2. Observation re. Your last comment,
There is a difference between creating straw men or rabbit trails and to consistently prove an issue to be true or valid from different angles, which has been my norm.
No further engagement will continue on the ongoing matter.
Regards

1. My apologies if I misrepresented your position, it was not on purpose,

2. “For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise”
II Cor. 10:12

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News Item1/8/19 11:23 PM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
Regarding "Christmass", and in that context . . "Nativity scenes", let us consider what the Word of God says:

God's Word . .
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments (Exodus 20:4-6).

So then . .

Churches that display these so-called "Nativity scenes" have effectively said . .

"Yea, hath God said?" Gen. 3:1

Be sure to read my related post of 1/7/19 8:06 PM

Article: How Protestant Nativity Scenes Proclaim Catholic Doctrine
Excerpt:
“Protestants would do well to ponder what their nativity scenes mean, and how they are scarcely different from Catholic veneration.

Incidentally, the aforementioned article was written by Dave Armstrong, a former Protestant who is now a Catholic apologist

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News Item1/8/19 9:56 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
Lurker wrote:
Wow! My head is spinning. Who knew being a Christian in good standing before God was so complicated! I wonder when all this stuff was revealed to Paul. And why he didn't write about it.
Ha! I was thinking the same thing in my head as I was trying to follow along and came across yours. Good on you Bro!

Your right, Paul didn't write on it. Neither did Peter. Amos said the Lord GOD revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets but they are silent on this too.

In Galatians 2:20 Paul said he lived by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Paul said he was a pattern for those who would believe hereafter on him to life everlasting in 1 Tim. 1:16.

Seems simple enough to me.

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News Item1/8/19 9:51 PM
this is getting old  Find all comments by this is getting old
I wonder why SermonAudio has not shut this thread down - it is a disgrace. Biting and devouring, haughty responses,etc. At this rate, all of you will be biting and devouring one another over this same worn out argument until next Christmas comes.

Good grief, close the thread SA; that's the only way anyone will finally stop commenting.
Utterly disgraceful.

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News Item1/8/19 8:08 PM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
sc wrote:
"christmas" is not in the Bible nor does a one time event constitute a regular holy day.
Ironically, those who think that they may just make up holy days (again,not civil observances,which "christmas" is not any way)are those who come across as arrogant and puffed up by setting themselves as God,deciding for themselves that which God has not revealed.
sc . . so true!

Many seem to vainly imagine that Christian liberty means freedom to do as they please.

But God is not mocked.

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News Item1/8/19 7:35 PM
Peter Clark  Find all comments by Peter Clark
sc wrote:
(you should really consider presuming hearts btw).

Ironically, those who think that they may just make up holy days (again,not civil observances,which "christmas" is not any way)are those who come across as arrogant and puffed up by setting themselves as God,deciding for themselves that which God has not revealed.

How do you square those statements? Are you not presuming hearts?
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News Item1/8/19 6:47 PM
sc  Find all comments by sc
God addressed holy days. Christ is the fulfillment of the feasts which GOD set in place. "christmas" is not in Scripture. Man has not the liberty to create holy days.
The problem is with defining terms. We're back to subjectivity if terms are open to interpretation but the truth is that there is no holy day in the Bible that is "christmas". Going along with one is a lie.
...probably why there are always theologically incorrect naivete scenes which make use of graven images for God.
One cannot accurately give the date when Jesus was born so why make up one?...using a lie to point to the Truth is futile and non-believers see through that. Why be a stumbling block?
BO- the onus is on you not those whom you deem to be puffed up (you should really consider presuming hearts btw).
"christmas" is not in the Bible nor does a one time event constitute a regular holy day.
Ironically, those who think that they may just make up holy days (again,not civil observances,which "christmas" is not any way)are those who come across as arrogant and puffed up by setting themselves as God,deciding for themselves that which God has not revealed.
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News Item1/8/19 6:35 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
US, you state this as mine position, that
"chapter 14 is Paul dealing with mainly the Jews and their observances of holy days"

This was not my statement. The chapter deals with the conflict of the two backgrounds.
You are moving the post.

Observation re. Your last comment,
There is a difference between creating straw men or rabbit trails and to consistently prove an issue to be true or valid from different angles, which has been my norm.
No further engagement will continue on the ongoing matter.

Regards

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News Item1/8/19 6:27 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
B. McCausland wrote:
Do not worry, US. You have been found in the past prone to find exceeding number of pretexts and fabricated objections to persist in your view, and please, you are in your right to do so if you wish.
Thank you I would say that is an adequate description of yourself and thoroughly agree you are in your right to so if you wish.
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News Item1/8/19 6:21 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Do not worry, US. You have been found in the past prone to find exceeding number of pretexts and fabricated objections to persist in your view, and please, you are in your right to do so if you wish.

No grabbing for straws, US, either.
You might need to agree that there is no other epistle in which the doctrinal balance and contrast of Jew v. Gentile is so much emphasied, explained and expounded. The obvious reason being that, differently to Thesalonians, Corinthians, or Philippians for instance, showing by their content that they were addressed mainly to Gentiles, or as Hebrews towards the Jew backbround, this letter was written with a mixed crowd in mind.
See, the epistles are not doctrinal treatises per se, but *letters* addressing the particulars of every group, as 1John was a response to prevalent rampant agnosticism.

The transitional conflict of Jew v. Gentile background can be traced back to Acts 15, and throughout the epistles hints arise here and there of the same, e.g. Colossians 2

Standing back one can perceive the historical reality easily, except for those needing the passage to hold onto the modern Christian liberty mantra.

Very signifincantly however, most of the classic theologians hold not to the 'liberty' interpretation.

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News Item1/8/19 6:15 PM
Peter Clark  Find all comments by Peter Clark
John UK wrote:
Oliver Cromwell would have something to say about that.
What an ignorant comment.

Under Cromwell England enjoyed the greatest period of toleration and freedom of conscience.

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News Item1/8/19 5:09 PM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
Re: "christmass nativity scenes/displays & so-called pics of the Lord Jesus Christ

1) "there is a general supposition granted on all hands __ namely, that there must be a view of Christ and His glory, to cause us to love Him, and thereby to make us conformable or like unto Him. But here lies the difference: - Those of the Church of Rome say that this must be done by the beholding of crucifixes, with other images and pictures of Him;and that with our bodily eyes:
we say it is by our beholding His glory by faith, as revealed in the Gospel, and no otherwise."

Citation: 1) Works, by John Owen, Vol. 1, p. 393, as quoted in Pictorial Representations of Jesus Christ (tract), by D. K. Madden.

As Christ said . .
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit, and in truth.”
- John 4:23-24

“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:” Acts 17:29-30

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