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FRONT PAGE  |  3/4/2021
SUNDAY, OCT 7, 2018  |  12 comments
Promoting socialism in the press
Sojourners and other Christian left groups like to think of themselves as cutting edge, but “Christian socialism” in America goes back the late 19th century. Professor Richard Ely, who founded the American Economic Association in 1885, strove to apply principles enunciated by Horace Greeley to all of American society and tried to meld the Bible and forced redistribution. He demanded that all unite behind the “coercive philanthropy … of governments, either local, state, or national.”

One much-quoted book of that era, William H. Fremantle’s The World as the Subject of Redemption, asserted that government alone “can embrace all the wants of its members and afford them the universal instruction and elevation which they need.” Fremantle praised the worship of governmental power as a furtherance of Christian worship of God: “We find the Nation alone fully organized, sovereign, independent, universal, ...

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News Item10/10/18 7:39 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, Neil, I don't remember anyone calling William Randolph Hearst a progressive.
Then refresh your memory & read his biography, e.g. @ Wikipedia. Yes, he did flip around later in life (pro-, than anti-FDR, Billy G., etc.), but that's irrelevant to his philosophy ca. 1898.

News Item10/8/18 7:31 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Read the article, Jim. Marvin Olasky equates the "yellow journalist"/much raker to socialists pursuing the nanny state. He makes a good case.

News Item10/8/18 5:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Neil, I don't remember anyone calling William Randolph Hearst a progressive. I believe his organization help fund Billy Graham's first evangelical efforts in California. Probably Billy mentioned something about the evil Russian empire that made Willy like him? (Too bad his son doesn't whisper that in some other political leader's ears ).

Anyway, I did find an interesting article about Democratic Socialism in Politico, they said they were going to have a few critics in their article, but I could find only one

Carrie Lukas wrote:
Just as importantly, Americans ought to consider how welfare-state socialism undermines people’s basic gumption. Europeans can hardly bother to reproduce, are less charitable, have less civic engagement and are less entrepreneurial than Americans. American innovation, risk-taking and our fundamental commitment to leaving the next generation better off than the last would all be jeopardized if we embrace European socialism. These are the virtues we would undoubtedly miss the most.
excerpt from, "America could turn into Western Europe. But should it?"

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Actually the title given is a subtitle in the whole article, "What Would a Socialist America Look Like


News Item10/8/18 11:40 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
It was also Progressive "Yellow Journalism" which agitated for war with Spain. The result was America joining Europe in colonizing more "benighted" peoples, and a guerilla war in the Philippines. And TR delighted in the opportunity to redeem the shame of his father and kill Spaniards.

A forgotten opponent of this was Thomas Brackett Reed, Speaker of the House (R-Maine), who despite his influence, couldn't stem the tide of warmongering. Rather than go along with the herd, he resigned his seat and went back to law practice.

When the US later resisted Japanese expansion in Asia, they could rightly complain of hypocrisy.


News Item10/8/18 11:28 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Here is where man's version of socialism falters....

Matt 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

Man's ambition is arrogant and he wants to be recognized as superior when he displays abilities that others might not have.

To then have him agree to this rule....
"whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:"
Is untenable in the arrogance the man(sinner) has 'won' by his natural competence.

"Love thy neighbour" is far too difficult for natural human ego.


News Item10/8/18 12:48 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Nice article from World Magazine. Marvin Olasky's description of Roosevelt calling the "Yellow Journalism" of that time akin to Buynan's man with the muck rake was quite telling. Explained TR, "It is very necessary that we should not flinch from seeing what is vile and debasing. There is filth on the floor, and it must be scraped up with the muck-rake; and there are times and places where this service is the most needed of all the services that can be performed. But the man who never does anything else, who never thinks or speaks or writes, save of his feats with the muck-rake, speedily becomes, not a help to society, not an incitement to good but one of the most potent forces for evil.”

News Item10/7/18 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item10/7/18 8:20 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dolores wrote:
Mine as well, JohnUk 😊 Have a blessed Sabbath.
God bless you too, Sister Dolores. I'l wager you don't have any complaints with your government. Me neither.

News Item10/7/18 4:33 AM
Dolores | Tx  Find all comments by Dolores
Mine as well, JohnUk 😊 Have a blessed Sabbath.

News Item10/7/18 3:58 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
What has the church to do with governments? The Lord Jesus Christ is my government.

News Item10/7/18 3:12 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
“Coercive philanthropy” should be right up your alley, Jim. That’s exactly what your beloved universal healthcare is.

News Item10/7/18 2:02 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Acts 4:32
The multitude of those who believed were of one heart and soul. Not one of them claimed that anything of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.

John MacArthur wrote:
Also, many present-day Christian activists seem to be unaware of how much their methodology parallels that of liberal Christians at the turn of the twentieth century. Like those misguided idealists, contemporary evangelicals became enamored of temporal issues at the expense of eternal values. Evangelical activists, in essence, are simply preaching a politically conservative version of the old social gospel, emphasizing social and cultural concerns above spiritual ones. In that framework the government becomes more and more the earthly ally (if he can persuade it to support his special agenda) or enemy (if it stays opposed or unresponsive to his agenda) of the Christian. But the ideal human government can ultimately do nothing to advance God’s kingdom, and the worst, most despotic worldly government in the end cannot halt the power of the Holy Spirit or the spread of God’s Word.
excerpt from, (The Futility of Political Change)

Social Darwinism seems to be pushed by other segments of the press👎

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