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FRONT PAGE  |  10/17/2019
SATURDAY, JUL 7, 2018  |  22 comments
More women looking to become 'consecrated virgins', Vatican says

An increasing number Catholic women are taking life-long chastity vows in order to “dedicate themselves” to God, according to the Vatican.

The Holy See has issued new guidance on consecrated virginity in response to growing interest across the world in the little-known spiritual “vocation”.

Consecrated virgins are unmarried women who pledge to remain celibate for their entire lives, eschewing romantic or sexual relationships to devote themselves exclusively to being mystical “brides of Christ”. ...


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News Item7/12/18 11:42 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
There is nothing wrong with a woman choosing to remain unmarried and a virgin and having a job. My Great Aunt(My Mother's Aunt) remained unmarried and a virgin. In my previous town I resided in I know a woman who is a Serbian Orthodox and she has remained unmarried and a virgin because all of the Serbian Orthodox men that she dated wanted to engage in premarital sex and she told them no way. And they never asked her out for a second date. That seems kind of nutty that all of those Serbian Orthodox men wanted to engage in premarital sex instead and that they did not want anything more to do with her once she told them no way to premarital sex.
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News Item7/9/18 7:45 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
Obviously the Roman Catholic Church overemphasised celibacy over marriage, and the concept of monasticism, and leaving the world instead of being in it, but not of it.

However, in the overreaction against this, at the time of the Protestant Reformation and after, and quite rightly opposing compulsory clerical celibacy and the wrong emphasis of monasticism,the calling for admittedly a minority of Christians to celibacy for the sake of the Gospel has been totally ignored.

There were and are still some very effective Christian workers who are single, and in some persecuted situations, it is much better for both men and women to be single.

Also it is wrong for zealous. evangelical Christians to put pressure on long term single Christians to marry, or try to force the issue, or “work it out” for them to get a spouse. Both marriage and celibacy are equally excellent callings, and one of them is not better than the other one.

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News Item7/8/18 7:45 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
interesting and edifying conversation
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News Item7/8/18 5:47 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
I can only give a little of my own testimony concerning Romanism.
It was not through any teacher that broke the shackles of that demonic lie, it was the Spirit of God using the Scriptures of Romans, Galatians and Hebrews.
To which I give Him all the glory for illuminating my blind eyes to see that In Christ Jesus who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.
So all my glorying is in the Lord, not in my experience's, Bible preachers, or how well I do or not do on any given day.

Once again, thanks for the civil exchange of thoughts on the subject of MG.

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News Item7/8/18 5:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
MS wrote:
Thank you for your response John UK.
I respectfully disagree with C.H. Spurgeon concerning MG.
I do not judge her eternal abode, that belongs to the Judge of all the earth, but her practice was Roman Catholic mysticism, works based religion.
Pity, in all her "intense study" of the Bible she didn't come to the knowledge of the lie of Roman Catholicism, renounce it, and come out of it.
Well of course Mr Spurgeon could have been wrong, MS. But he was well read, and I don't think he would have said that to his people without good cause.

In her autobiography, it seems she had opportunity in her travels to visit Geneva and see the Calvin Project, being close by, but being steeped in Catholicism, she was most anti-Calvin. So I would not have got on with her at all.

As for her Bible Study, yes, it is possible she could have come to a knowledge of the truth by the Spirit; but unless one has access to a teacher of the "Protestant" truth, who can break down the brainwashing of Catholicism, I can imagine a devout (elect) Catholic of the 17th century would be hard pressed to understand what we regard as essential truth, namely, "justification through faith alone in Christ alone".

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News Item7/8/18 4:37 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Thank you for your response John UK.

I respectfully disagree with C.H. Spurgeon concerning MG.
I do not judge her eternal abode, that belongs to the Judge of all the earth, but her practice was Roman Catholic mysticism, works based religion.

Pity, in all her "intense study" of the Bible she didn't come to the knowledge of the lie of Roman Catholicism, renounce it ,and come out of it.
...
Good Afternoon Christopher.

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News Item7/8/18 4:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
MS wrote:
Hope you will receive this as not trying to start an argument but just trying to understand why you would bring her up in some of your posts.
Thank you.
That's fine MS and I will try to answer your query.

Firstly, I have never recommended Madame Guyon to anyone myself, as far as I recall. What I have done is quoted Charles Spurgeon, in one of his sermons, when he commended Madame Guyon to his congregation, as an excellent example of fortitude in the face of a multitude of trials.

Having heard the name before, and wishing to gain some knowledge on the subject, I dug out her autobiography on the net, and spent some time slowly reading it through.

Obviously she was brought up in Catholicism (although a contemporary of John Calvin) and she initially lived in France.

Because of Mr Spurgeon's commendation, I gave her the benefit of the doubt and trusted she was elect of God; and this, along with her intense study of the Bible, showed forth in her demeanor through life's struggles, and actually gained my respect, for she attributed all things to God, believing in his absolute sovereignty with all her heart. It was this certain belief that gave her such continual peace.

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News Item7/8/18 4:05 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
MS Wrote:
"Not trying to be argumentative or contentious John UK..."

Aside from any response, in all the times and ways that this has come up, nobody has asked in a kinder, or more respectful way than you just did.

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News Item7/8/18 2:11 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Not trying to be argumentative or contentious John UK; but confused as to why you would recommend a RC woman mystic (M. Guyon) on here, but utterly and rightly so condemn Romanism in your posts.

Btw. she never renounced her RC religion and continued to celebrate the blasphemous catholic mass.
So what she wrote is just words, and was not the experience and practice of a true believer in the Christ of the Bible.

Hope you will receive this as not trying to start an argument but just trying to understand why you would bring her up in some of your posts.

Thank you.

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News Item7/8/18 1:51 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Yes pilgrim, satan is indeed often a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I believe the RCC has infiltrated the true church of our Lord in ways that perhaps none of us fully understand; mixing truth with error. I liked your reference to demonic manifestations. The below are a couple of verses that touch on this subject. They pray to Mary and the “saints” who were human and if they do that who knows who they are speaking to? All they can do is spin the below verses.
1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
I believe you, Frank, when you say that the RCC has infiltrated the true church in ways which we do not fully understand. There is such a subtlety to the schemes of the devil working through men, which is far higher than our mind can fully grasp.

Many times I have been studying scripture, and seen something afar off, which never gets focussed and clear, so that I could write it down. Other times, the scripture comes so alive.

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News Item7/8/18 1:46 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Figures that the RCC, as children of the flesh, would glory in the shadow but fail to recognize the substance.

The soul (heart of flesh, mind) is feminine gender in both Hebrew (Nephesh) and Greek (Psyche) and is the dwelling place of God the Holy Spirit, the down payment of the inheritance of eternal life, upon regeneration. The souls of the born again are the espoused bride of the Lamb regardless of our natural gender.

If it weren't so pitiful it'd be laughable that these deluded RC women pretend to accomplish what real Christians already possess. And, of course, the RCC defends and encourages the ungodly practice being blind leaders of the blind.

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News Item7/8/18 12:39 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
These type of articles that are posted up concerning cults and Babylonian religious practices, do nothing but create confusion, and draw in to the forum its adherents.
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News Item7/8/18 11:50 AM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
Jaycobee wrote:
Here are two articles on consecrated virginity in ancient Judaism and vatican's explanation for the practice
https://www.jstor.org/stable/44091923
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/07/04/180704d.pdf
Giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth is not the way. Never was. Never will be.
Holding fast to the faithful Word is. Always was. Always will be.
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News Item7/8/18 11:27 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
And then this mystical marriage thing, somewhat occultic in my view. If anyone is unregenerate and yet "experiences God", as they think, there is a good reason to believe it is a demonic manifestation, rather than the genuine union between a disciple and his Lord.
Yes pilgrim, satan is indeed often a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I believe the RCC has infiltrated the true church of our Lord in ways that perhaps none of us fully understand; mixing truth with error. I liked your reference to demonic manifestations. The below are a couple of verses that touch on this subject. They pray to Mary and the “saints” who were human and if they do that who knows who they are speaking to? All they can do is spin the below verses.

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

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News Item7/8/18 10:23 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Good comment!
When I first read the article, I did not look at it that way, but now I can see how your comment explains it all. Catholicism is the ultimate works based salvation. Sins cannot be forgiven completely outside of the church, so it controls who goes to hell or to purgatory. That is all these women are truly looking at.
As the article said, this is simply another form of catholic mysticism.
Amen Frank, and thanks for your comment.

Over the years, I've occasionally read some material written by the religious, and every time I see how insidious is their thinking caused by the RCC. Far from being "little nothings" they actually see themselves as really very special, even with the capacity to redeem sinners by their suffering. How AntiChrist is that!

And then this mystical marriage thing, somewhat occultic in my view. If anyone is unregenerate and yet "experiences God", as they think, there is a good reason to believe it is a demonic manifestation, rather than the genuine union between a disciple and his Lord.

Of course Satan is very interested in the RCC, being the CEO of it, having a determination to make it more and more deceptive.

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News Item7/8/18 8:15 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Jacobee, I haven't forgotten about you, just been super busy. I scanned your 2nd link, the .pdf, which was quite lengthy, and there's so much I could point to, but here's a starter:

"They cultivate a devotion to the Virgin Mary that is full of affection and filial trust. She is the « teacher of virginity
»[56], model and patron of every consecrated life[57], from whom they daily learn to glorify the Lord."

We proclaim you blessed
woman of the Magnificat
mother of the living Gospel.
Virgin of virgins,
sealed fountain,
gate of heaven,
We praise you,
Virgin Mother of God
Woman of the covenant,
of expectation and fulfilment.

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News Item7/8/18 8:02 AM
Dr. Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Do these dear ladies not see the irony of virgins devoting themselves to the service of the Great Whore?
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News Item7/8/18 7:21 AM
Jaycobee | Fl  Find all comments by Jaycobee
Here are two articles on consecrated virginity in ancient Judaism and vatican's explanation for the practice
https://www.jstor.org/stable/44091923
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/07/04/180704d.pdf
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News Item7/7/18 7:25 PM
Gay Allen | United States  Find all comments by Gay Allen
Ves·tal Vir·gin
ˈvestl ˈvərjən/
noun
plural noun: Vestal Virgins; plural noun: vestal virgins
(in ancient Rome) a virgin consecrated to Vesta and vowed to chastity, sharing the charge of maintaining the sacred fire burning on the goddess's altar.
they goddess worship Mary
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News Item7/7/18 10:46 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
There is no devoting oneself to Christ until one understands exactly who Christ is, and what Christ has done for sinners; that one may be saved through faith alone in Christ alone, not by any works at all.
Good comment!

When I first read the article, I did not look at it that way, but now I can see how your comment explains it all. Catholicism is the ultimate works based salvation. Sins cannot be forgiven completely outside of the church, so it controls who goes to hell or to purgatory. That is all these women are truly looking at.

As the article said, this is simply another form of catholic mysticism.

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