Sola scriptura is among the most important Reformation principles for believers to understand and apply. That's the conclusion of at least some Southern Baptist Convention seminary professors on the Protestant Reformation's 500th anniversary.
Sola scriptura (Latin for "by Scripture alone") is the doctrine that the Bible alone is humankind's infallible rule for faith and practice.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Sorry Kev, I usually try to stay out of disputes among brethren who post here. Sister B will readily acknowledge we don't see many things eye to eye. There were plenty of people showing AM the truth, I did not see the need to add to it. Forgive me for any wrong I have done to you or others. I will try to be more consistent in my posts here.
Thank you UPS. I would hope you let them continue with all this without you for your own sake. I apologize to you for anything I have said out of place as well.
There is a minimal code of ethics for acceptable discussion in a setting as this, primordial elements of that being integrity of thought process, honest approach, and absence of malice, insult, personal antipathy and derision.
DD The ways of the God revealed in the Bible are unsearchable, and his nature is eternal and infinite. If you are contented in limiting the deity to something less, this is your own doing. As for looking both ways, yes, we do. God looks both ways, the pass and the future, his majesty and our misery, and he reveals to us in Scripture a way to connect both.
Bonny Find the meaning of the word controversial and look around to find that BG is either rejected or welcome in evangelical circles, which suits the definition
Kev Look at the context of your personal accusations and take the courage to be honest to yourself and fair in judgement, as the unjust are said they will not inherit the kingdom.
Kev wrote: I wonder when did you correct BMC for her rediculous comments to me? She compared me to Satan, she called me a liar. She hinted that I was an antinomians, when I hold just about the same view about the law as you do. You said that you believe that AM is wrong in his thinking in another post but did you ever try to tell him the correct way? You canāt tell me you really donāt see the hypocrisy in some who say to be caring to those who have different views on the Bible Yet are some of the least tolerant themselves. ā John UK why donāt you just give it a little break for awhile to rest and pray? That would be most God honoring. Think also on my comment to UPS a lot of it could be asked if you as well.
Sorry Kev, I usually try to stay out of disputes among brethren who post here. Sister B will readily acknowledge we don't see many things eye to eye. There were plenty of people showing AM the truth, I did not see the need to add to it. Forgive me for any wrong I have done to you or others. I will try to be more consistent in my posts here.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Thank you John Uk and Sister B for your kind thoughts and words. May God grant to DD wisdom, discernment, and grace.
I wonder when did you correct BMC for her rediculous comments to me? She compared me to Satan, she called me a liar. She hinted that I was an antinomians, when I hold just about the same view about the law as you do. You said that you believe that AM is wrong in his thinking in another post but did you ever try to tell him the correct way? You canāt tell me you really donāt see the hypocrisy in some who say to be caring to those who have different views on the Bible Yet are some of the least tolerant themselves. ā John UK why donāt you just give it a little break for awhile to rest and pray? That would be most God honoring. Think also on my comment to UPS a lot of it could be asked if you as well.
How different the spirits here to dear Mr Spurgeon who wrote:
āIt is my highest ambition to be clear of the blood of all men. I have preached Godās truth, so far as I know it, and I have not been ashamed of its peculiarities. That I might not stultify my testimony I have cut myself clear of those who err from the faith, and even from those who associate with themā
The downgrade in his day continues apace among those who still profess the Lordās name and claim to love him. :ā(
One poster even refers to BG as just a controversial figure. Either the person is wilfully ignorant or has an agenda.
John Wesley had taken a tract written by Augustus Toplady, a Calvinist, in which Toplady had translated from Latin and published an excerpt of, Jerome Zanchius' work "Absolute Predestination". Wesley changed the meaning of the tract completely, disavowing the doctrines of grace found in it, and then published it with Toplady's initials, behind his back, in an obvious attempt to undo the good Toplady's tract was doing in England. Here is Pastor Toplady's letter confronting Wesley. March 26, 1770
Read more on the above website. ā Great comment Rodney Israel is a clear picture of the elect who Christ died for.
John UK wrote: Oh, nearly forgot. A six minute message by Paris Reidhead, during which he brings out the danger (and result) of giving false assurance in crusade-style evangelism.
Are you saved?
Brother John Sola Scriptura Man in wales I love you my brother
What an excellent worthwhile message to hear this morning!
Now briefly since this thread ought to be saturated with Sola Scriptura, I am remembering the Roman Centurion at Capernaum in Luke's Gospel 7:1-10
It says, when he heard of Jesus [and this same Jesus told us the Scriptures bear witness, true witness of Him, don't they]
In my words here, this Centurion, non-Jew, but who loved the Jewish people etc.
Knew this Jesus he was hearing about, was a man under the authority of God, who was graciously and mercifully exercising the authority of God, essentially using the Power and Authority of the Kingdom of God for undeserving/people unworthy of it and people who were insignificant to society
and he, a Gentile, put his faith in Jesus that He would heal his servant ... and Jesus did, honoring him for his great faith, which in my words here, the 'insiders' Jewish experts in theology failed miserably to hav
We always need to be very careful, each and every one of us, that righteous anger never crosses the boundary and becomes human anger, even bordering on hatred. When we're concerned for someone's eternal spirit, the human anger we're all guilty at times, only destroys, never builds, and is never productive. Speak God's truth with a genuine care and concern for, not only protecting His Word, but those who you feel are in grave danger and grievous error. How far do we get with anyone when taking defensive postures, talking at people, never really listening, and allowing our humanity to take over conversations?
B Mac, A finer example of being two faced would be hard to find, excepting perhaps those of your disciples on this thread. Your attempts at laying guilt at my feet have failed miserably. Your opening paragraph was a most excellent auto-biography, albeit a little short. Being double minded as your are, you have proven yourself to be unstable in all your ways; hence the two "gospels" you present as being "compatible" are diametrically opposed to one another, as I shall remain to you, unless you repent.
The laughable analogy of the husband/wife scenario you give as an example of God's love is a pathetic attempt to reveal the god you worship as superior to the God revealed in Scripture. Since you haven't a clue what the Book of Ephesians is all about you could not possible decipher chapter five with godly wisdom. There are not two Gospels, just as there are not two versions of the same Gospel, which is what you are teaching along with your disciples here. As for the Attributes of God, again you seem to be clueless as you think He has only "love" to His credit and that it trumps all the others at their expense. Take your own advise and beware of blaspheming the Holy Spirit as you sit on the fence. Your scare tactics won't silence me. Disclaimer = joke.
Just as a preliminary to having a look at Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement which, I must say, was a very real thing ordained of God, not simply a theological talking point, let us remember that all the Jewish festivals were still being carried out at the time the Lord Jesus walked this earth. Male Jews at least had to march on Jerusalem three times a year for these festivals.
Were all these Jews saved? Were they walking with God? We know that Anna and Simeon were walking with God, they were full of the Holy Ghost; so was John the Baptiser. But the majority? Was there no atonement made for them? Or what?
Oh, nearly forgot. A six minute message by Paris Reidhead, during which he brings out the danger (and result) of giving false assurance in crusade-style evangelism.
Are you saved? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI75YrHtvfo
US Here is a passage binding together in one God's equity along with His kind nature as you attempted to demonstrate in one of your posts.
"Moses said, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and said, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, *All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people*. " Rom. 10
God showing kindness to 'His own' disobedient people, while granting grace to those not seeking him. This exemplifies loving in surplus, not in a restricted mode.
Thanks to Sr B and IE. We are beginning to take a sensible and biblical shape here, along with a gracious spirit and desire to bless, and I feel the Holy Spirit giving his encouragement.
I particularly liked this quote from George Whitefield:
"To do justice to the situation we must be content with a paradox, affirming both divine predestination and human responsibility."
It is little wonder that I also hold to that statement, especially as when a young Christian I was encouraged to read such evangelical men as George Whitefield, Charles Spurgeon, Bishop Ryle, John Owen, C T Studd etc.
I am quite happy to rest in a paradox, which is of course a "seeming" paradox. God knows all things, and I know very little in comparison, almost nothing. But what I do know is that the Lord is more concerned with my character, along with the bearing of fruit, which alone can bring him glory. Someone ought to preach a sermon entitled: "Observe how the Lord makes a precious jewel out of a cow-pat".
I hope my detractors have at least read the OT, and are acquainted with God's instructions for Yom Kippur, including the priest's clothing and the sacrifices, which will come....
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: Whitfield challenges Wesley tinysa.com/sermon/11117154324 -/ http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/Z5231C.pdf " ... To do justice to the situation we must be content with a paradox, affirming both divine predestination and human responsibility. Which is not to say that both Erasmus and Luther have won and that both shall have prizes, for it commits us neither to Luther's overconfident statements about predestination nor to Erasmus' much too naive view of free will. What it means is that we are willing to recognize the limits of our own understanding ." -- ... Charitable dialogue of brethren
Thanks for the contribution.
Flawed understanding regarding divine 'procedure' will not ban any from grace. The disciples often showed poor perception, yet they were not committed to Christ's eternal doom because of this, but were patiently redirected to the right focus by Christ himself.
However, every one will 'suffer loss' at one stage or another, as the consequence of the flaws sustained in his/her system of belief, either by excess or defect, and this, sadly, will negatively permeate into his/her service, performance and outcome, relationships and fellowship, fruitfulness, devotion, sanctity, or practice.
"Why God's Word evokes in some cases a positive and in others a negative response remains a mystery however we look at it. The postulate of human "free will" no more explains it than does reference to the "hidden will" of God. It is a mystery to which there are analogies in other areas of life, and especially in personal relationships, but analogies can at most help us to accept the mystery, not to fathom it. We are here at a point where life is only too plainly larger than logic, and conceptual analysis is entirely out of its depth. To do justice to the situation we must be content with a paradox, affirming both divine predestination and human responsibility. Which is not to say that both Erasmus and Luther have won and that both shall have prizes, for it commits us neither to Luther's overconfident statements about predestination nor to Erasmus' much too naive view of free will. What it means is that we are willing to recognize the limits of our own understanding ." -- As Luther's bombast is attractive to my flesh- I enjoy reading even those I disagree with to hone charitable dialogue of brethren.
John Regretfully, it is poor hermeneutical judgement to accurse a person on the grounds of what system of theology he/she takes to, when one is never justified or saved by any work of the law, as adhering to a system of theology is.
As we all know, it is by Christ only we are redeemed / accepted in his body, not by the particular system of theology one adheres to. O, that more grace would abound in all who profess the name of Christ!
When reading Whitefield's responses to John Wesley on the disagreement in question, (available in audio form in this site and read by Bob Faulkner in three settings) one can perceive how grace abounds; it sets a model of discussion for any of us. Whitefield's demeanor is never short of Christ-like manners towards his friend, and fellow servant in Christ as he respectfully addresses him.
"... holy brethren, *partakers* of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; .. Who was faithful ...*whose house are we*, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end." Hebrews 3
Ps. Clarification: talking about systems of theology that stand on redemption by faith alone, without distortion of the gospel intent of grace
B. McCausland wrote: 1. God used Israel as a vehicle to convey truth not as an exclusive ethnic redemptional plan 2. Valid
Also for your response to DD, whoever she is. I'm glad someone else sees the dangerous path she's treading, and is concerned enough to point it out. God takes note of every post, and responds accordingly.
Bro US, I am very sorry to see you come in for so much stick also. It doesn't make sense to me, seeing as your postings always are based upon scripture, offered with graciousness, and designed to bless anyone who receives them. You set a great example, brother.