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THURSDAY, JUL 6, 2017  |  26 comments
Chemotherapy may spread cancer and trigger more aggressive tumours, warn scientists

Researchers in the US studied the impact of drugs on patients with breast cancer and found medication increases the chance of cancer cells migrating to other parts of the body, where they are almost always lethal.

Around 55,000 women are diagnosed with breast cancer in Britain every year and 11,000 will die from their illness.

Many are given chemotherapy before surgery, but the new research suggests that, although it shrinks tumours in the short term, it could trigger the spread of cancer cells around the body. ...


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News Item7/7/17 4:58 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
penny wrote:
Br John, that's great! a famous graduate of Bob Jones U here is Joel Salatin, a farmer who has restored the soil from the industrialized farming and he teaches people all over the country of how God created each animal and plant for a purpose in sustaining life. What a blessing! (had a friend recently with MRSA == now we are in postantibiotic age, there are natural remedies that take care of that too! she's doing alright and thankful) wish I could send you a jar of cultured pickles!
Title: Joel Salatin - How does your Christian faith connect to stewardship, farming, and sustainability?
youtube channel: Covenant Seminary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCon_Pk0qgs
Penny, there is another you would find very interesting, name of Paul Gautschi, who is a leader in the Back to Eden gardening movement. Maybe you have already heard of him? We have his DVD, but you can watch it free here-

http://www.backtoedenfilm.com/watchfreeorganicgardeningmovie.html

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News Item7/7/17 3:47 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
John UK wrote:
So few realise that this is possible, probably because preachers rarely mention it. Pastor Lester Roloff certainly did, and can be found here on SA. I think it is a case of "he that hath ears to hear".
Br John, that's great! a famous graduate of Bob Jones U here is Joel Salatin, a farmer who has restored the soil from the industrialized farming and he teaches people all over the country of how God created each animal and plant for a purpose in sustaining life. What a blessing! (had a friend recently with MRSA == now we are in postantibiotic age, there are natural remedies that take care of that too! she's doing alright and thankful) wish I could send you a jar of cultured pickles!

Title: Joel Salatin - How does your Christian faith connect to stewardship, farming, and sustainability?

youtube channel: Covenant Seminary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCon_Pk0qgs

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News Item7/7/17 3:05 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Buckeyes wrote:
I'm not skilled enough to split hairs. It isn't free unless all doctors and pencil pushers are working for free. Is the healthcare part of your taxes optional? I didn't think so.
Buckeyes;
On the subject of taxes.....
"Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

I think good health is worth the collective effort of a nation.

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News Item7/7/17 2:03 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(John 8:32), @Adriel,
I'm not skilled enough to split hairs. It isn't free unless all doctors and pencil pushers are working for free. Is the healthcare part of your taxes optional? I didn't think so. Some could call that being forced. This article puts things in perspective about the crisis over there: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11974620/Quality-of-NHS-care-is-poor-to-mediocre-compared-to-other-developed-nations-OECD-warns.html. There are several root problems with a single-payer system. 1. God did not create government to manage healthcare, the governments jurisdiction is to punish evil-doers. 2. Single-payer systems take away your right to choose by forcing you to buy a product (healthcare) at whatever price they demand (which is higher since there isnt competition and additional pencil pushers are required to tell you what treatment options you're allowed). This creates a lack of incentive to provide good care because there's no competition. 3. Single-payer systems force people to pay for other people's abortions, gender transitions, assisted suicide, etc. Not a penny of taxpayer money should go towards such things as they're morally reprehensible.
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News Item7/7/17 2:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
penned wrote:
...but I have also kept loved ones (and pets) out of the hospital with simple solutions.
So few realise that this is possible, probably because preachers rarely mention it. Pastor Lester Roloff certainly did, and can be found here on SA. I think it is a case of "he that hath ears to hear".
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News Item7/6/17 4:35 PM
Look at the stats  Find all comments by Look at the stats
Article say 55,000 cases and only found 20 where it spread the cancer. Not exactly a scientific breakthrough. Certainly not proof of what the headline implies
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News Item7/6/17 3:39 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Also, Adriel, people don't look at the various costs of privatizing industries such as healthcare, e.g.,
(A Hidden Toll as States Shift to Contract Workers)[/URL].
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You are starting at the end of the race, Jim. Your statement based on these old news links implies we have not had private healthcare, but now someone is wanting to "privatize" it. We had private healthcare, meaning you and your doctor decided what's best for you. Then the govt got involved, and suddenly it's very expensive, and choice is limited.

btw, my relationship with my doctor is not an industry, it's an unwritten contract.

Oh, and while you're about it, would you mind explaining in what way bureaucrats are experts in healthcare? Is it their extensive medical training, or their manufacturing of regulations to please the insurance industry while purporting to help the insured?

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News Item7/6/17 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Also, Adriel, people don't look at the various costs of privatizing industries such as healthcare, e.g.,
Motoko Rich wrote:
Economists and other academics who study outsourcing are divided about whether it usually saves a government money. Recent data from Arizona shows that privately operated prisons often cost more to operate than state-run facilities. A study by the Project on Government Oversight, a nonprofit Washington group, found that in 33 of 35 occupations, using contractors cost the federal government billions of dollars more than using government employees.
--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/7lpg6hm]]]http://tinyurl.com/7lpg6hm (A Hidden Toll as States Shift to Contract Workers)[/URL].

I got the above NY Times article as a link in this one, [URL=http://tinyurl.com/yar5af4o]]]http://tinyurl.com/yar5af4o (Privatization Nightmare: 5 Public Services That Should Never Be Handed Over to Greedy Corporations)[/URL].

The article is excellent, but it's in the Left's version of the NewAmerican So, you would find articles surrounding it that you will not like, so you are again forwarned.

I will point out my first comment on this thread, has some useful information on the topic of the article that SA put up!

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News Item7/6/17 2:38 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
John Yurich USA wrote:
I know a 45 year old lady who attends that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday morning and she was diagnosed last year with stage 4 terminal lung cancer and she has been under chemotherapy treatment and the tumors seem to be shrinking in size. It is the healing power of the Lord Jesus Christ that will be the only way that her lung cancer goes into remission.
unfortunately this cycle is played out over and over again as Christian movies, pop culture, books of encouragement and conference speakers are based on those who carry on the chemo narrative.

I have a hard time imagining Jesus standing by putting those poisons into people.

Every once in awhile it works, so I'm not begrudging those who recover, I have buried loved ones, but I have also kept loved ones (and pets) out of the hospital with simple solutions.

Is the scriptural example the modernist, Darwinist chemical model?

I would say that they are at odds.

We don't have to burn ourselves to find healing. And yes, this is a fallen world where there is death, but we shouldn't bring death upon ourselves prematurely, but rather remember that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

was just hearing about the bodily affects of fasting...stem cells created

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News Item7/6/17 2:30 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Buckeyes wrote:
First off, the woman and her husband you mentioned didn't receive their care for "nothing" as you put it.
Yes they did! You are splitting hairs. What this is about is funding the health for the nation. (Called "free at the point of delivery")
Nobody "forces" the taxpayers to pay for their health. It is a logical method of looking after "everybody" in the nation.

As for funding health have you seen this headline....
Quote;
"Government funds nearly two-thirds of U.S. health care costs: American Journal of Public Health study
Contrary to popular perceptions, taxpayers fund 64 percent of U.S. health care, more public dollars per capita than the citizens of other nations – including those with universal health programs"
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2016/january/government-funds-nearly-two-thirds-of-us-health-care-costs-american-journal-of-pub

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News Item7/6/17 1:20 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(John 8:32), @Adriel,
First off, the woman and her husband you mentioned didn't receive their care for "nothing" as you put it. The government forced taxpayers such as themselves (and others who werent using their health care) to pay for it with higher tax rates. We can't use a single story to uphold our view of healthcare, as I could easily find and site other stories of people not receiving care and dying because of it (like the 20% of colon cancer cases I sited earlier). Our views must be supported by the actual numbers. In the UK, only 84% of patients in the Emergency Room are seen within 4 hours, while in the US, 95% of patients are seen within 3 hours. While an 11% difference may not seem big, it is huge when you realize that America has a much larger population, a lower ratio of healthcare workers to other workers, and 20% of hospital admissions require ER intensive care in the U.S., vs. only 2% in the UK.....
OOS
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News Item7/6/17 1:07 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
" It is the healing power of the Lord Jesus Christ that will be the only way that her lung cancer goes into remission" - this is not true.
Here is the definition of 'remission' - a diminution of the seriousness or intensity of disease or pain; a temporary recovery.'. Now, IF God heals one of cancer, it does not subside on a temporary basis - it is completely gone with no trace of it.
My mother had stage 4 lung cancer, it went into remission due to chemo for a time, then came back with a vengeance.
Inform yourself before you blurt out inaccuracies concerning God's healing power.
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News Item7/6/17 1:05 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
45? Wow, so young.
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News Item7/6/17 12:59 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
I know a 45 year old lady who attends that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday morning and she was diagnosed last year with stage 4 terminal lung cancer and she has been under chemotherapy treatment and the tumors seem to be shrinking in size. It is the healing power of the Lord Jesus Christ that will be the only way that her lung cancer goes into remission.
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News Item7/6/17 11:12 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
there are cancer cures and many alternative doctors in these arenas have been dying odd deaths.

mafias do what mafias do.

next time the am canc society calls and wants to add a million to their millions...

ask them to drop their chemo only approach because I have personally seen or talked with people involved with...

used baking soda injections for fungal based breast cancer

vitamin c IV for pancreatic

second one was near death and sent home to die from the chemo, the vitamin c detoxed him first....

the prior rid of the tumor.

....and if there is no desire to know or be excited about these things and a resolve to bow to the idol of chemical warfare....one must ask....what have they done to your humanity?

what do you call it when the scientists who develop the polio vaccine openly admit a cancer virus in it and continue giving them and as childhood cancers increase exponentially our response is to make a bald Barbie?

why are we so callous to our own genocide?

I've talked to one of their abortionists, they call us useless eaters, ie herds of vaca.... but we are not herds of vaca, we are human beings created in the image of God.

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News Item7/6/17 11:10 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Mike NY - great comment
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News Item7/6/17 10:46 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Buckeyes wrote:
England is only one of several examples we can go through of the nightmares created when government puts itself between you and your doctor.
A friend of ours emigrated to America where she married an American. Later she developed a mental health problem and eventually had to give up her job. Her husband tried to take care of everything on their insurance and paying the bills. But it became impossible.
Since she was from England she returned home to UK and settled there with her husband.
There she was treated on the NHS along with her husband FOR NOTHING. Her husband and her are both now retired and being cared for in UK - FOR NOTHING.
And subsequently have lived happily ever after.
The End.

Its not the 'government' who puts themselves between the patient and the doctor - Its the tax payer. Thank goodness.

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News Item7/6/17 7:48 AM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(John 8:32), @Jim Lincoln,
Single payer systems do not work well where they have been implemented. Just look at England's healthcare system. The British National Health Service is one of the world's five largest employers, with over 1.6 million employees. If the NHS were an army, it would be the second largest on earth, yet the NHS serves an island population of just around 62 million. NHS employees represent more than 1/4 (26.7%) of all public employees and more than 1 out of every 20 workers in the U.K., and a substantial majority aren't health care providers, but administrative personnel. About 20% of patients with treatable colon cancer at the time of discovery are considered incurable by the time treatment is finally available. England is only one of several examples we can go through of the nightmares created when government puts itself between you and your doctor.
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News Item7/6/17 7:46 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
One thing that George Will [URL=http://tinyurl.com/ybhuwcfa]]]http ('Repeal and replace'? Try 'tweak and move on.')[/URL] and Donald Trump agree upon, [URL=http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-39826777/is-trump-right-about-australian-healthcare]]](Is Trump right about Australian healthcare?)[/URL] Is that the single-payer system is better. Oh, it would cheaper than our present system as well. See the short Trump video.
3rd party involvement makes for a more expensive system. Mandatory insurance in any field has served to increase the cost to the buyer, whether health, auto, or homeowner. As long as "someone else" is paying the bill, anything can be charged, and usually is. Of course, in the case of government healthcare, the negatives are increased even further because govt has no self discipline, and charges the insured not only for the insurance, but for the bureaucracy needed to implement.
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News Item7/6/17 7:40 AM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
We have good health care
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