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SATURDAY, JUN 24, 2017  |  12 comments
Methodist Conference Faces 'Unprecedented Financial Crisis' After Election of Lesbian Bishop

Yellowstone Annual Conference, a part of the UMC Mountain Sky Area, released a report earlier this month which noted that they've experienced an "unprecedented level of deficit that could end normal operations of the conference."

The report went on to state that lesbian Karen Oliveto's election as bishop "is only one of many factors," adding that "death and loss of significant givers" among local churches is another.


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News Item6/29/17 4:23 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John UK wrote:
I know of two church groups which would seem to agree with your criterior, namely, The Brethren, and Baptists.
Yes, John UK, however, quite often those that are most anti-denominational, are often the most 'sectarian' in guarding their own huddle to self-protection, which can be fairly understood
After all we are factionists due to our fallen nature.
In Scripture we read of some that said that they belonged to the party of Christ, though they did not get any commendation for this anyway. See,
"... there are contentions among you .. every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ ... is Christ divided? ..."

No matter how well we define the group we associate best with, we are always in the flesh, and heresies (divisions) are meant to happen:
"For there must be also heresies (schesims) among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you" 1 Cor.11:19

"he said ... It is *impossible* but that offences (stumblingblocks) will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!" Lk 17

This is the core of why denominations exist:
".. mark them which cause divisions and offences (stumblingblock, issues) *contrary to the doctrine* which ye have learned; and avoid them" Rm.16:

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News Item6/29/17 3:56 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
There is no scriptural basis for ANY denomination. Every church in the Bible was an independent (not independent of God, but independent of an external governing body), autonomous, local assembly of immersed (not sprinkled) belivers. When churches start out with unscriptural roots, it is inevitable that they will ultimately produce corrupt fruit.
I know of two church groups which would seem to agree with your criterior, namely, The Brethren, and Baptists.
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News Item6/29/17 2:42 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
The English word for denomination comes originally from the Latin 'denominare', via the Old French 'denominacion' meaning "nominating, naming", say to give a name to something.
Consequently the term means to identify a class or kind of persons or things by an specific name due to its particular practices, characteristics, beliefs or customs.

The disciples were called 'Christians' for the first time in Antioch; say Christ did not give them that name.
Also they were known early in the Book of Acts as those 'of the way'

Often people take names out of partidism as seen in 1 Cor. 1, yet as the poor will always be with us, denominations in the good sense are a necessary ill, (1Cor.11:19) in order to identify groups by their specific beliefs. They are like tags in a classification system.

Even God gives names to his own to identify them from those that are not his. E.g. 'ye are of your father the devil', differentiates those from whom he calls 'the little flock'

See,
"The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself ... and all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD" Deu.28

"every one that is called by my name ... I have created him for my glory" Is.43

"Him that overcomes ..I will write upon him the name of my God" Rv.

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News Item6/28/17 11:52 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
While I earnestly desire all the psychological, as well as spiritual, moral, physical, social, and every other kind of help I can get from Jesus, I still maintain that there is not a single God-ordained denomination in all of the New Testament. The only "denominations" mentioned are the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians, not one of which was approved by God. The Bible gives doctrines and instructions to churches, and not to denominations.
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News Item6/26/17 12:06 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Dr. Tim wrote:
There is no scriptural basis for ANY denomination. Every church in the Bible was an independent (not independent of God, but independent of an external governing body), autonomous, local assembly of immersed (not sprinkled) belivers. When churches start out with unscriptural roots, it is inevitable that they will ultimately produce corrupt fruit.
You really are in dire need of psychological help from Jesus to state that denominations are not scriptural. Wesley who started the Methodist Church was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit to start the denomination of Methodist Church.
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News Item6/26/17 12:48 AM
That Guy | The Planet of Common Sense  Find all comments by That Guy
Why do these people even want to hold these positions in the church? Clearly the want God, however they want him on their own terms, so they twist the truth. They are only lying to themselves.
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News Item6/24/17 1:35 PM
Haman the Agagite | Esther, OT  Find all comments by Haman the Agagite
"B's" mention of the letters to the churches in Revelation makes me wonder--were those real churches? where are they today?
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News Item6/24/17 9:14 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Dr. Tim wrote:
There is no scriptural basis for ANY denomination. Every church in the Bible was an independent (not independent of God, but independent of an external governing body), autonomous, local assembly of immersed (not sprinkled) belivers. When churches start out with unscriptural roots, it is inevitable that they will ultimately produce corrupt fruit.
Zeal for purity has been usually the issue at the core of birthing 'new' denominations throughout history, and might need to be so till the Lord comes perhaps.

The words of Christ in the letters to the churches in Revelation 2&3 infer that the way ahead for any church when corrupted and without repentence is either removal, or judgement implying a 'new start' by God’s own design.
See,
" .. except they repent of their deeds... I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searchs the reins and hearts .. "

When judgement occurs self-preservation points to believers to remove themselves from the setting, while all along the principle of separation from any thing that defiles is vigent also.

Truth and purity divides; darkness and superstition binds false systems of belief from within.

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News Item6/24/17 8:52 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
when destruction of the family and human biology becomes the basis for their antichrist "morality" hard to expect intact families to keep floating the boat.
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News Item6/24/17 8:17 AM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
I apologize for the typo, viz., "belivers." However, if you want to "be live," you have to believe😆
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News Item6/24/17 8:09 AM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
There is no scriptural basis for ANY denomination. Every church in the Bible was an independent (not independent of God, but independent of an external governing body), autonomous, local assembly of immersed (not sprinkled) belivers. When churches start out with unscriptural roots, it is inevitable that they will ultimately produce corrupt fruit.
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News Item6/24/17 2:01 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I wonder what it would take for some Methodists to realize to say enough is enough. One would hope they would leave and find actual Christian churches to go to.

More Methodists should realize [URL=http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9806/articles/abraham.html]]]http://tinyurl.com/jekd4zb (United Methodists at the End of the Mainline)[/URL]

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