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SATURDAY, MAR 25, 2017  |  21 comments  |  3 commentaries
Gorsuch: ‘A Fetus Is Not a Person’ Under the Law

During his second day of questioning for his Senate confirmation hearing, Trump U.S. Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch said that he accepts Roe v. Wade as the “law of the land” and its opinion that a “fetus is not a person.”

On Wednesday, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., asked Gorsuch about a sentence in his book “The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia,” in which he concluded that “[a]ll human beings are intrinsically valuable, and the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong.”

“How could you square that statement with legal abortion?” Durbin inquired. ...


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News Item3/30/17 12:29 AM
That Guy | The Planet of Common Sense  Find all comments by That Guy
If it's not a baby then what is growing? If it ends in a death then it was alive. If it's not a bay, a child then why the need to abort it, if it's only tissue. Abortion is murder of another person, period. History, science, religion, and common sense have always demonstrated that when a woman is pregnant she is carrying a child, a person, not tissue, not a blob.
This appointe needs to go! If it's not a person, WHAT is IT?
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News Item3/27/17 11:50 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
I hope it was, they brought out all the typical "arguments" it's sad to see people believe it's a logical choice.

I tried to show them how illogical their arguments were, comparing their logic to the Nazi's logic. Tried to show them that they're accountable to God.

Was able to get the gospel out, and recommend the 180 movie, hopefully it did something.

Folks I found a good website.

https://www.mljtrust.org

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News Item3/27/17 11:28 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Connor7 wrote:
I had an interesting dialogue with the pro choice people,
sounds like you had an interesting conversation Connor, I hope it was fruitful!
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News Item3/27/17 9:51 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
I had an interesting dialogue with the pro choice people, their reasoning was based on a very obvious false assumption, their whole reasoning for allowing the "fetus" to be murdered is that it is legal, it is a woman's rights and it is moral.

Now I'll not need to go into details, but their premise, whether they realize it or not, is that rights come from the government. If you start with that thinking, it's no wonder that they are for abortion and think it's logical.

Now I know very well that they're children of wrath and that promps them to be swift to shed blood. The fact is if you start with the premise that rights come from God, and not government, and any government that is in opposition to God's laws are...canceled if you will, void of necessary obedience.

Now the dialogue included "what about rape?" Well, you should consider killing the rapist not the child. "It's a woman's right!" It's not her right to kill a human being,

"it's her body!" If you really believe that a woman should be able to have total control of her body, advocate a woman's right to suicide, and pump herself full of cocaine and morphine.

But what troubled me most is that they made the unborn child to be a burden to the mother, saying "it's not fair" exactly the mentality of Nazi Germany

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News Item3/27/17 2:28 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
"he accepts Roe v. Wade as the “law of the land” and its opinion that a “fetus is not a person.”"

If a fetus is not part of the existence of every human being - What is it?

To stop or remove a life you must kill that life. At any time in its existence.
That is murder.

Abortion is state run serial killing.

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News Item3/27/17 12:46 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
If Gorsuch states that under the law a fetus is not a person then he should not be appointed to the United States Supreme Court.
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News Item3/25/17 10:07 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
From the moment of conception it's murder
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News Item3/25/17 4:29 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Walls  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Society/politics? Better for future of Christianity, New York Times bestselling author &American Conservative columnist Rod Dreher calls on American Christians to prepare for the coming Dark Age by embracing a more ancient Christian way of life.

From the inside, American churches are hollowed out by the departure of young people and by an insipid pseudo–Christianity. From the outside, they are beset by challenges to religious liberty in a rapidly secularizing culture. Keeping Hillary Clinton out of the White House might have bought a brief reprieve from the state’s assault, but it will not stop the West’s slide into decadence and dissolution.

Rod Dreher argues that the way forward is actu­ally the way back—all the way to St. Benedict of Nur­sia. This sixth-century monk, horrified by the moral chaos following Rome’s fall, retreated to the forest and created a new way of life for Christians. He built enduring Christian communities based on principles of order, hospitality, stability, and prayer. His spiritual centers of hope were strongholds of light throughout the Dark Ages&saved not just Christianity but Western civilization

Book TV on CSpan today reviews his best seller.
Kevin Swanson on SA recently mentioned this type of adjustment to collapse of the west.

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News Item3/25/17 4:10 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Very interesting, Mike. I haven't agreed that often with liberals , any more than I have with conservatives. Unfortunately those terms have been redefined to left wing nuts and right-wing nuts.

Antonin Scalia was a strict constitutionalist , and if you read my first message on this thread you know at least he doesn't think the Constitution applies to abortion. I don't know what his stance was on queer marriages?

Now, I'm not a big fan of adding amendments to the US Constitution , but in this case it would look like it would have to be done. Well course evangelicals could be doing what they are supposed to be doing, evangelizing not spending all their time in politics. This of course if they really want to improve society.

John MacArthur wrote:
.... A certain amount of healthy and balanced concern with current trends in government and the community is acceptable, as long as we realize that that interest is not vital to our spiritual growth, our righteous testimony, or the advancement of the kingdom of Christ. Above all, the believer’s political involvement should never displace the priority of preaching and teaching the gospel.
excerpt from,[URL=http://tinyurl.com/habzqpz]]]http://tinyurl.com/habzqpz (The Gospel and Politics)[/URL]
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News Item3/25/17 3:40 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I already pointed out in another thread,
---[URL=http://tinyurl.com/mula35k]]]http://tinyurl.com/mula35k (What Judge Gorsuch (and the rest of us) can expect at his confirmation hearing (+video )[/URL]
---
From the link:
"But Senate Democrats cool to Neil Gorsuch hope to turn the hearings into as much a trial of President Trump’s respect for the judiciary and legal process as a challenge of Mr. Gorsuch’s conservative record on both the 10th US Circuit Court of Appeals and as a high-ranking official in the George W. Bush Justice Department."

What Dianne Feinstein said at the hearing:
"I firmly believe that our American Constitution is a living document, intended to evolve as our country evolves,” Feinstein said. “So, I am concerned when I hear that Judge Gorsuch is an ‘originalist’ and ‘strict constructionist.’”

I imagine any good Democrat detests the Constitution similarly.

A different link:

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/446081/living-constitution-dianne-feinstein-neil-gorsuch-attack

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News Item3/25/17 1:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I already pointed out in another thread,

Ben Rosen wrote:
Senate Democrats cool to Neil Gorsuch hope to turn the hearings into as much a trial of President Trump’s respect for the judiciary and legal process as a challenge of Mr. Gorsuch’s conservative record on both the 10th US Circuit Court of Appeals and as a high-ranking official in the George W. Bush Justice Department....

... there will be an effort to paint Gorsuch as a staunch conservative friendly to big business....

---[URL=http://tinyurl.com/mula35k]]]http://tinyurl.com/mula35k (What Judge Gorsuch (and the rest of us) can expect at his confirmation hearing (+video )[/URL]

You want to get rid of abortion legally? Add an amendment to the United States Constitution!

But!

John MacArthur wrote:
Christians have founded a number of evangelical activist organizations and sunk millions of dollars into them in an effort to use the apparatus of politics...to counteract the moral decline of American culture....

But is that a proper perspective? I believe not. America’s moral decline is a spiritual problem, not a political one, and its solution is the gospel, not partisan politics.

-[URL=http://tinyurl.com/habzqpz]]]http://tinyurl.com/habzqpz (The Gosp
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News Item3/25/17 11:34 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Problem of reality for many judges. They have no LAWFUL authority to declare a pre-born child is not a person in the first place, nor to defend the lunatic notion.
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News Item3/25/17 11:27 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Logical  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Judge Gorsuch Never Said...
the following

.."An unborn child has a right to life."
Nor has any Supreme Court inJustice

Not inJustice Roberts
Not inJustice Alito
NOT inJustice Thomas
not inJustice Souter
Not inJustice Kennedy
Not inJustice Scalia
Not inJustice O'Connor
Nor will inJustice Gorsuch( as easy prediction)

For decades, National Right To Life and the pro-life industry has cheered each Supreme Court Justice, who was eventually confirmed, who had been nominated by
Ronald Reagan,
George H.W., and
George W. Bush! Yet every one of those judges reject that the unborn child has a right to life.

Central Holding: The late Notre Dame law professor, pro-life Charles Rice, taught (see youtu.be/r4esSBgE10Y) that every one of the Republican justices nominated since 1973 have accepted the central holding of Roe v. Wade that the unborn child does
not
have a right to life.

Bork (1987) in Slouching Toward Gomorrah,
illustrates the absurdity of the pro-lifers supporting his nomination by Ronald Reagan and Planned Parenthood opposing it, even though as a federal judge he himself was not opposed to abortion.

Trump does understand that ISIS is evil and needs to be stopped, not contained or regulated.

easy logic-apply it to abolition of baby killing

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News Item3/25/17 9:44 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
He propbably means much the same thing as the judge he is suppose to replace, by the way SA article is fairly complete on the issue, so read this as well.
Christian News wrote:
...Some had remarked that they desired a judge similar to the late Antonin Scalia.

Scalia, however, noted during his tenure that he opposed both the complete abolition of abortion, as well as requiring legalization. He said that the Constitution does not require a state to ban abortion as he believes the 14th Amendment only applies to those who have been born.

“I will strike down Roe v. Wade, but I will also strike down a law that is the opposite of Roe v. Wade,” Scalia outlined in a 2002 Pew Forum. “You know, both sides in that debate want the Supreme Court to decide the matter for them. One [side] wants no state to be able to prohibit abortion and the other one wants every state to have to prohibit abortion, and they’re both wrong.”

... Scalia further explained in a 2008 “60 Minutes” interview. “I think when the Constitution says that persons are entitled to equal protection of the laws, I think it clearly means walking-around persons.”

The article is complete, Gorsuch was picked to protect businesses.
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News Item3/25/17 8:41 AM
Carl in Greensboro | North Carolina  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl in Greensboro
It is best to take the nominee's statement as a current fact "under the (current) law." For example, the Lord calls the enemy "the prince of this world" three times (Jn 12:21, 14:30, 16:11). That was a statement true to those times but we now know according to those verses that "the prince of this world" has been judged to be prince no longer. In the same way Gorsuch is stating the current status of the unborn under the current law until he and the majority of the Supreme Court judges it to be unconstitutional and cast out this current and immoral law.
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News Item3/25/17 8:37 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Christopher000 wrote:
"Gorsuch, currently a judge with the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, posited that abortion is different because the unborn are not legally recognized as people."
Hmmm. I wonder if he's answering questions creatively, and by creative, I mean answering simply by using current law to make it sound as if he sides with current laws. Question: Blah,blah,blah. Answer: That's the law, I respect current laws, etc.
Not doublespeak or lies, but a simple way to answer issues in a way that sooths the panel and procures employment.
"I respect current law" Translation: I have no choice but to respect current law as I'm currently powerless to disobey it. However, I don't agree with it and if appointed, will work tirelessly to put an end to the mass murder of infants".
Maybe.
I like your thoughts, Chris. The concept may roughly be applied to Solomon in Ecclesiastes when he spoke of the futility of various aspects of life, but qualified them by attaching "under the sun." If one wasn't aware of his purpose, you could conclude he was so down, he might give up living.
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News Item3/25/17 8:05 AM
Allie  Find all comments by Allie
Mr. Trump is pro-life which is why he appointed this man. Prolifers aren't anti-abortion, but want it regulated. The hope is less abortion will happen not the irradication of it. He like the Republicans before him SAY they are against abortion , but their actions show their true colors. Mr. Trump is cool with gay "marriage" too. Mrs. Clinton is for abortion and homosex "marriage". At least she was honest and made no bones about it. She lies about everything else, but those two positions. Mr. Trump seems to be about unifying all Americans. Homosexuals, abortionists, Muslims, Christians, Conservatives, etc. as one big happy where no group will have preeminence. No gonna happen. Rome tried that and failed. History does repeat itself. There was a godly man running as a third party candidate yet professing Christians voted for Mr. Trump. 'Gospel" Coalition did not pay him any attention. Neither did Pastor Jeffress or Jerry Falwell Jr. Good Presbyterian believer. What kind of impact would we have had if we in the millions voted for him? It would have shown that our vote is consistent with what we say we hold dear.
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News Item3/25/17 7:21 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
"Gorsuch, currently a judge with the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, posited that abortion is different because the unborn are not legally recognized as people."

Hmmm. I wonder if he's answering questions creatively, and by creative, I mean answering simply by using current law to make it sound as if he sides with current laws. Question: Blah,blah,blah. Answer: That's the law, I respect current laws, etc.
Not doublespeak or lies, but a simple way to answer issues in a way that sooths the panel and procures employment.
"I respect current law" Translation: I have no choice but to respect current law as I'm currently powerless to disobey it. However, I don't agree with it and if appointed, will work tirelessly to put an end to the mass murder of infants".
Maybe.

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News Item3/25/17 6:46 AM
Gay Allen | Wisconsin  Find all comments by Gay Allen
oh well, President Trump is not of God, he is being lead by God with hooks in his jaws ...
and everyone is laughing at christians who defend Trump

No, Donald Trump Is Not Cyrus (And Other Ridiculous Ways In Which Christians Are Trying To Defend The 2016 Election)

tps://medium.com/@crazypastor/no-donald-trump-is-not-cyrus-and-other-ridiculous-ways-in-which-christians-are-trying-to-defend-1941d74d857c#.du5b4y4hu

When Reagan was rejected by the CPUSA

http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism/1999-September/032219.html

then Reagan worked with the FBI giving names of "suspected communist" actors in hollywood, but we in the know understand what that kind of purge was really for, to get rid of non communists and blacken names, this is how the wicked rise to power, murder, rape, blackmail, destroying Christian values and families because they already infiltrated and destroyed the churches ... overcome the world and see through this world system of lies, "come out of her my people"

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News Item3/25/17 6:05 AM
but it is  Find all comments by but it is
a true statement under U.S. law, even if it is wrong and evil. Sad to see the Senators making it their "holy grail", the killing of the innocent. They falsely label themselves the party of compassion. Jim should be ashamed to be in their camp.
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