Judge orders Rowan clerk to appear in court Thursday after she again denies 'marriage' licenses
Davis, an Apostolic Christian, has refused to issue any marriage licenses in Rowan County since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage June 26. U.S. District Judge David Bunning issued a preliminary injunction Aug. 12 ordering Davis to resume issuing licenses. She appealed to the 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court, both of which denied her.
Lawyers for local couples who are suing Davis, demanding marriage licenses, quickly filed a motion Tuesday asking Bunning to find the clerk in contempt of court and fine her.
"Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis' compliance through incarceration," wrote William Sharp, legal director for the ACLU of Kentucky, which represents the couples.
"Since defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, plaintiffs urge the court to impose financial penalties sufficiently...
First we agree that the courts are overstepping their boundaries and ignoring the constitution.
We agree she is right to not issue the marriage licenses.
But you can make up all the facts you want (no commentary agrees with you and it is not seen in the Bible, so we know that following in the steps of Paul and Jesus is a false statement, Paul even appealed to the court system see Acts 25:11) but lets look at your plan. She doesn't go to court, a warrant is issued for her arrest, she ends up in jail, and your strategy is better because?
Acts 9 -Paul did escape 1.escapes guards waiting to arrest him& 2 escapes a "court " used by Saul to murder Saints 3 in a different time of his choosing with a different court Paul chooses THAT court .
A Jesus avoided legal synagogue quorum that could quickly try &execute by stoning- B.later Uses other Courts at His timing.
And "Certain lewd fellows of the baser sort"(lawyers) in acts 17:5 attempt an arrest by a synagogue quorum court- "And the brethren immediately sent away Paul..."v10 Fleeing jurisdiction& arrest. Had Davis told the Feds"you have no jurisdiction - I am obeying the Kentucky constitution- " ignoring the Feds , not validating usurpers . Had Davis gone underground while leaving a standing order to HER deputies to not sign on to Sodomy: She would be following Jesus, Paul, Luther,Knox ,etc. Give credence to an out of control despotic evil 5 lawyers? Ha! John Adams wrote the Massachusetts Constitution in 1780, in which the powers of the commonwealth are divided in the document â€śto the end it may be a government of laws, not of men.â€ť A "court" that invents law out of thin air is not ruled by law: and thus merits contempt, avoidance , & the Spirit of '7
Paul didn't escape court, he escaped those lying in waiting to kill him. Jesus also did the same. Neither one avoided going to court. Your example only works if she flees to not be put to death. Which would be a good idea. She is not starting her own country. If she ignored the court order to appear, she would be in the same jail.
Acts 9:19b -26 "Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ. And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him: But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. " So Paul disobeying the court & fleeing the jurisdiction tells you what? Jesus' respect for the court in Matt. 23? Or Paul took to heart Matt 24:9's warning with Jesus' example in John 10 of escaping those who hate you by avoiding & getting out of their jurisdiction - hard for the courts of Abomination to catch you in mountains mt 24:15-16
contrast servile obedience to a "constitution " as defined by Sodomite lawyers vs. wisdom of lawyer Adams who ignored British courts.
Knox knox wrote: A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy." Obedience to 5 evil lawyers' opinion over the law of God? Dissolute.
great quotes, what does that have to do with going to court when you are summoned? Jesus went to court, Paul, Peter, Silas went to court. Reread Elmer's post, he is basically saying don't go to court when summoned. He can correct me if I am inaccurately portraying what he is saying.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams
If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. Samuel Adams
The right to freedom is the gift of God Almighty....The rights of the Colonists as Christians may be best understood by reading, and carefully studying the institutes of the great Lawgiver and head of the Christian Church: which are to be found clearly written and promuligated in the New Testament. Samuel Adams
" A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy."
Obedience to 5 evil lawyers' opinion over the law of God? Dissolute.
Brother E wrote: trickery, deceit, threat, and coercion. These courts have nothing to do with us; they are public servantsâ€™ conventions. Every officer of the courtâ€“â€“judge, prosecutor, clerk, attorney, bailiff, sheriff, cop, works for the same employer. The situation is at least 5 against one." ... "Whatâ€™s the best way to put anything out of commission? Quit giving it our attention. We MUST quit going to court. Courts are NOT for executors and beneficiaries (us); courts are for public servants and trustees (not us). But, Iâ€™d be sure to tell them, before the date, why I wonâ€™t be going to court and Iâ€™d be sure to default them when they admit (by failing to deny or provide proof) that not only do I not belong there but also I have no contract with the Crown (or state). Since the Attorney General oversees the provincial/state attorneys, it would be prudent to apprise him also."
read article 3. If you don't think you are under obligation to the law of the land, thus a practicing anarchist, please leave the country immediately and start you own country.
We've been having unstable weather here in OH from the heat. I had tuned in to a radio station last night to get an update on the weather and just prior to it (it was a talk show station) I heard a commentator try to slander Davis by saying that she had had 3 divorces. These were in her past before she was saved. He didn't say that; I looked it up elsewhere and I doubt that as a practicing RC who takes Gods' name in vain and imbibes that he even would understand the difference. What surprises me his support for the sodomites which is antithetical to Scripture,yet,his use of Scripture which cites God's disdain for divorce. On the one hand he counters Scripture and on the other he gives it credence. Davis' divorces were before her conversion and,if one understands Scripture,are not to be held against her now.
Mic 7:3 That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up
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You must refuse and cast away all evils, do what is good, and ever study to do what will please God. In no way look back (as Lot's wife did), but still go forward. And then if you call to God for mercy, putting your full and only trust in Him, He will hear you and take from you those plagues that lie on you, and the others which most certainly (if you do not repent) hang over you and will come upon you. Then He will send you His and benediction for malediction; plenty for famine; health for pestilence; peace for wars; quietness for trouble; a godly and just government for cruel tyranny; and for sedition, such force and power that you, being few, shall be able to withstand all the tyrannies of the world and enemies of God and our country, and utterly confound them and destroy them.
knox knocks wrote: "There is ever, and in all places, a mutual and reciprocal obligation between the people and the prince...If the prince fail in his promise, the people are exempt from obedience"
In the above quote it is stated that "if the prince fall in his promise,the people are exempt from obedience."
Applying it to this situation, I'd ask what prince(?)promised what, in whose name did he swear and to whom? I'm asking, historically speaking; How would Mr Knox or one of his posterity holding the same doctrine look at this nation in application of the Scriptural principle?
But hereof be assured, that all is not lawful nor just that is statute by civil laws; neither yet is everything sin before God, which ungodly persons allege to be treason." -John Knox
"Let a thing here be noted, that the prophet of God sometimes may teach treason against kings, and yet neither he nor such as obey the word, spoken in the Lordâ€™s name by him, offend God." - Knox
"For earthly princes lay aside their power when they rise up against God, and are unworthy to be reckoned among the number of mankind. We ought, rather, to spit upon their heads than to obey them." -Calvin (Commentary on Daniel, Lecture XXX Daniel 6:22)
"If they (government authorities) command anything against Him (God), let it go unesteemed. And here let us not be concerned about all the dignity which the magistrates possess." - Calvin (The Institution of the Christian Religion, written in 1536)
"If their princes exceed their bounds, Madam, it is no doubt that they may be resisted even by power." -Knox (while being questioned by Queen Mary about his views)
"There is ever, and in all places, a mutual and reciprocal obligation between the people and the prince...If the prince fail in his promise, the people are exempt from obedience"
trickery, deceit, threat, and coercion. These courts have nothing to do with us; they are public servantsâ€™ conventions. Every officer of the courtâ€“â€“judge, prosecutor, clerk, attorney, bailiff, sheriff, cop, works for the same employer. The situation is at least 5 against one."
"Whatâ€™s the best way to put anything out of commission? Quit giving it our attention. We MUST quit going to court. Courts are NOT for executors and beneficiaries (us); courts are for public servants and trustees (not us). But, Iâ€™d be sure to tell them, before the date, why I wonâ€™t be going to court and Iâ€™d be sure to default them when they admit (by failing to deny or provide proof) that not only do I not belong there but also I have no contract with the Crown (or state). Since the Attorney General oversees the provincial/state attorneys, it would be prudent to apprise him also."
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I just come across this yesterday. What a blessing! Perfect for some of you.
I suggest you read it all, but here's a little:
"All courts are structured on a concept similar to that of Las Vegas casinos. Iâ€™ve heard that both the courts and the casinos winning odds are 86% to 14%. The wins, permitted by the house, are calculated to prompt the masses to think they, too, can win. From our perspective, we win only episodically and without rhyme or reason. The latest and greatest â€śprocessâ€ť from the Remedy Rock Stars is never any better or worse than what we have already tried. Each is likely somewhat theoretically accurate, but that is moot when, in practice, there is no win. The house/court always wins, even when we also do. It is solely a numbers game and the results of each case are arbitrary except for our competence and conduct. Again, the only reason for the very few wins at the casino/court is to convince the masses to â€ścome on downâ€ť and TRY to win. This grants the casino/court the opportunity to fleece us out of our cash.
There is NO reason to accept an invitation to court. What causes us to think we must? The invitation is for them to entrap us via their tric
Returning to the AP article, I found that the portion about her son was no longer there instead the following account was. "Faced with the possibility of fines, jail time or the loss of their jobs, five of the clerks promised to issue the licenses."
"I don't really want to, but I will comply with the law," said one, Melissa Thompson. "I'm a preacher's daughter and this is the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life," she added. "I don't hate anybody ... None of us do."
While Kim Davis' antagonistic protesters in the article's photos held rainbow posters with the words 'Love Won' Love is the fulfillment of the Law. Christ is the fulfillment of the Law. I John 4:14-16
God is not contrary to Himself nor His self revelation concerning who he is and what He requires of man found in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments.
It is impossible that the ascended Mediator has not won, all things progress according to His secret counsel and all that has been revealed in the prophetic Scripture will be fulfilled.
So the judge placed her in jail. No trial, no time to provide a defense off to jail. We happy few need to understand that at anytime, our time will come. Maryterdom will be need, as evil demands more than jail, it will demand our bodies. I think we're past the point of getting all excited for this or that canidate or this law that repressed nots our values. Kentucky voted against gay marriage, the US congress has not made the Supreme Court ruling law. Therefore, our options are for jail or ...,
Amen Mourner...amen. This judge also sworn an oath, to God, to fulfill his own duties according to justice and truth. What does the oath mean if isn't to the true God? No transcendental base, no foundation for the oath to stand.