pennned wrote:
interesting you bring up Socrates. the greeks had their "boy love" -- sodomy is closely linked to pedophilia.
This is why they must come into the public schools and call Christians bullies and teach innocent youth who are not even developed enough to understand anything about perversions. Otherwise boys would fall in love with girls, get married and continue on the cycle of life.
Wikipedia: Pederastry (I avoid the link for obvious reasons)
"Pederasty in ancient Greece was a socially acknowledged erotic relationship between an adult male (the erastes) and a younger male (the eromenos) usually in his teens. The influence of pederasty on Greek culture of these periods was so pervasive that it has been called 'the principal cultural model for free relationships between citizens.'"

Characteristics of pagans and barbarians. These are just my notes on Romans Chapter 1.

1.They choose to deny the existence of God despite His obvious presence demonstrated in His creation.
2.Because they choose to reject Him, they are turned over to their own lusts and desires.
3.They worship, revere or pay homage to idols and/or God’s creation instead of Him.
4.They not only sin without remorse, but they encourage others to follow in their ways.
5.Their consciences have become seared.
6.They have no fear of God and will be subject to God’s wrath.
7.They are capable of committing any sin that we can imagine, either directly or indirectly.

I would say that God's judgment has already begun. When we openly and shamelessly sin against our holy triune God, then God has simply turned us over to our own lust. Just think about the hundreds of millions of babies that have been murdered. Just think about our divorce rate and the plight of single mothers. Have they both been getting worse and worse. And, Sodom and Gomorrah thought they were living in peace as well. Just remember God's time table and judgments aren't the same as mankind's. God is not mocked

Read Romans 1 and you will understand the way most of us think.

Ken wrote:
That particular slippery slope fallacy is a category mistake.

This is why they must come into the public schools and call Christians bullies and teach innocent youth who are not even developed enough to understand anything about perversions. Otherwise boys would fall in love with girls, get married and continue on the cycle of life.

Wikipedia: Pederastry (I avoid the link for obvious reasons)

Wayfairer: "Five years from now men will marry children and women marry barn animals."
That particular slippery slope fallacy is a category mistake. Children and barn animals could not by law be considered consenting adult humans.

People have been insisting that society will collapse when same sex marriage is legalized, for decades. It didn't, so now people insist God will smite our country for condoning sodomy. Well, that's not really a prediction without a timeline -- it's more of a waggling finger.

s c wrote:
To "me",we are not saved by works otherwise Jesus would not have had to die for our sins.Thinking that we could in any way contribute to our salvation is blasphemous. Works are important as they are the fruit of our salvation but they definitely are not a MEANS by which we are saved.There is no problem with the book of James at all.

former Franciscan priest Emmett McLoughlin wrote:
... the Roman Catholic Church in its most important work sanctification is a failure. Among its members crime and immorality are greater than the unchurched or the members of other churches. Whatever else the Roman Catholic Church may be able to do... it cannot, it has not, and it does not make the majority of its members better and holier....

Jim Lincoln wrote:
It is completely inadequate when tied to the idea of "works" salvation.

BGEA wrote:
First, cults almost always claim that they, and they alone, have the truth. They turn their backs on almost 2,000 years of Christian history, and say that other churches are wrong and will deceive you. They point instead to their leader or founder as the final authority, and claim that God has given them a new revelation of Himself. Second, cults always reject what the Bible teaches about itself. The Bible alone is God's Word—but cults add to it or substitute other books in its place.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
The Inadequacy of Moralism.

Wayfairer pilgrim wrote:
Five years from now men will marry children and women marry barn animals.
I hope Christians understand that to come to faith through the effective call of God regenerates their very being. If a transformation has occurred , then being a Philistine or pagan is no longer an option.Fight your sin and do not join in with those that don't. Please, Walk out of any church that even hints at tolerating or props up pagan practices or unsound doctrine.