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Choice News TUESDAY, OCT 14, 2014  |  32 comments  |  1 commentary
Vatican report on homosexuals 'stunning change'

A Vatican report issued Monday (Oct. 13) demonstrates what observers described as a dramatic shift -- even an "earthquake" -- regarding homosexuals, asking if the Roman Catholic Church can value "their sexual orientation, without compromising" its teachings.

The report, delivered in Pope Francis' presence halfway through a two-week meeting of nearly 200 bishops at the Vatican, offered a markedly different tone in its approach to homosexuals, cohabiting couples and the divorced. The document is not a final report on the synod of bishops, who will continue their meeting this week. A more definitive report is expected after a final synod next year.

In a section titled "Welcoming homosexual persons," the report says, "Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Apparently they don't have gifts as ambassadors. [URL=http://krvn.com/abc_world/vatican-blocks-gay-french-ambassador-france-reportedly-dropping-bid-abcid35502887/]]]Vatican blocks gay French ambassador, France reportedly dropping bid[/URL]
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News Item10/29/14 3:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ME, a very good observation, but they way, why this Pope is the way he is (one main bad reason was that he was raised in a Catholic family ) can be found in this article, [URL=http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/31/crisis-changed-pope-francis-279303.html]]]The Crisis That Changed Pope Francis[/URL]. This doesn't change the facts about [URL=http://www.gty.org/Resources/Print/Sermons/90-291]]]The Pope and the Papacy[/URL] or for that matter this Pope either, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=31913951361]]]Jesus Christ, Our One & Only High Priest[/URL] and [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=32613123546]]]Requirements of Every High Priest[/URL].
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News Item10/22/14 12:05 AM
ME | florida  Find all comments by ME
Under pressure during the Protestant Reformation the Vatican moved some of its most graphic works they call "art" into the Louve and the Borgia apartments. It is not rocket science to look at the Sistine chapel and know that is blatant gay porn.
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News Item10/20/14 10:15 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
SteveR, since the Romish Church always supports its father, Satan, this will come about because the Romish Church supports homosexuality in its priesthood. You wouldn't get results like this if it didn't [URL=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/16/young-u-s-catholics-overwhelmingly-accepting-of-homosexuality/]]]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/16/young-u-s-catholics-overwhelmingly-accepting-of-homosexuality/[/URL]

The following goes for Catholic bishops as well

Matthew 23
15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel around by sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much of a son of Gehennaas yourselves.

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News Item10/19/14 1:19 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Not so fast apparently. Anti-Christian organizations like the Romish are more "entertaining" than Christian ones

[URL=http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2014/1018/Division-in-church-clear-as-Catholic-bishops-scrap-welcome-to-gays]]]http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2014/1018/Division-in-church-clear-as-Catholic-bishops-scrap-welcome-to-gays[/URL]

John Y., real or false except for the bad manners, what was said about your belief about salvation was accurate.

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News Item10/16/14 5:37 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Troll Spotter, no, that's the real John Y., or one who has read him so long, that they can mimic his standard comment. No, John Y., that is not enough. If you believe in Jesus you will repent
summary for, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1119101230404]]]The Spirit Convicts Through the Word[/URL].
I happy to see when you go to listen to the sermon their is a link to [URL=http://https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A37-41&version=NASB]]]Acts 2:37-41[/URL]. John Y., you haven't repented because you are sinning by still supporting your Romish Church.
This is the real John Yurich USA. I forgot about there is a phony John Yurich USA posting on here.
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News Item10/16/14 2:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Troll Spotter, no, that's the real John Y., or one who has read him so long, that they can mimic his standard comment. No, John Y., that is not enough. If you believe in Jesus you will repent
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
The Apostle Peter's first sermon on Pentecost boldly declared Jesus to be both Lord and Christ. The Spirit of God working through the Word preached began bringing the hearts of the hearers under conviction of their sins. Peter taught that the lifesaving response to this conviction of sin would be to repent and then give public testimony of that repentance by being baptized. There can be no salvation without repentance from sin. Genuine repentance then results in the forgiveness of sins and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
summary for, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1119101230404]]]The Spirit Convicts Through the Word[/URL].

I happy to see when you go to listen to the sermon their is a link to [URL=http://https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A37-41&version=NASB]]]Acts 2:37-41[/URL]. John Y., you haven't repented because you are sinning by still supporting your Romish Church.

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News Item10/16/14 12:20 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey

Dopey's Believe It or Not

The Annulment (3)

Well someone did show up to testify on behalf of the wrist slitter in the hospital with a nervous break down. A female friend was determined to say something of value on behalf of the woman. After awhile however, the friend started to get angry at the attitude of some nuns taking evidence against, I mean "for" the woman in the hospital.

Finally the friend got extremely angry and told a nun that what was going on reminded her of the Spanish Inquisition, and the nun told that was quite taken aback.

Eventually, a decision was made about the annulment and the wrist slitter who was out of the hospital by this time, received an official document announcing the official decision of the Roman Catholic Church, and she read it.

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News Item10/16/14 9:11 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey

Dopey's Believe It or Not

The Annulment (2)
The Annulment (1) 10/14/14 11:11 AM

The husband who came up with the Roman Catholic Church annulment plan was heard to say, and I paraphrase, "I got lot's of money", "And I know who to contact".

Strange as it may seem, not to long there after there was an annulment hearing, while the lady wrist slitter was in the hosiptal with a nervous breakdown and thus couldn't attend the annulment hearing.

Would any one attend the annulment hearing to represent the lady in the hospital with a nervous breakdown? Or, would the "husband" have it all his own way and get his quicky annulment?

P.S.
Have to leave now for two hours minimum.

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News Item10/16/14 9:06 AM
Troll Spotter  Find all comments by Troll Spotter
John Yurich USA wrote:
I believe the Bible is the inspired and inerrant Word of God. Nowhere in the Bible is church attendance/membership in any church mentioned as being required for salvation. The Bible states that the only requirement for salvation and entering Heaven is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation which means to embrace Jesus as ones Personal Savior. So if a Catholic trusts in Jesus alone for salvation by having embraced Jesus as their Savior then it is totally superfluous to their salvation if they remain in the Catholic Church because they will remain saved. Jesus will not look at the church that one attended in deciding who enters Heaven. Jesus will only look at who had embraced Him as their Savior and trusted in Him alone for salvation in deciding who enters Heaven. And for your information I don't accept the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. When I receive the bread and the cup of wine during Mass I believe I am receiving them the way the Lutheran Church teaches and not the way the Catholic Church teaches.
Unthinking troll!
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News Item10/16/14 9:01 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
I believe the ...
Let me attempt to be kind to you
Since you profess to read the Bible I urge you to read it again THIS TIME paying attention that it is the RIGHTEOUS who enter heaven and the UNRIGHTEOUS (those practising sin) who are throw into hell forever

John Yurich, please be honest with yourself, if the 'faith' you have in Jesus Christ has not resulted in obedience to Him you are NOT Righteous and will die in your SIN

AND you will not be able in the day of judgment to say you were not warned of the damnable folly of pretending you were on your way to heaven while you repeatedly told us how you reject obedience to the word of God

btw just so you know you will not stand before your brother, you will not stand before his non-denominational pastor but before HOLY God Himself, so choose wisely

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News Item10/16/14 8:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
I believe the...
Blah blah blah, nonsense, tripe, garbage, ridiculous, troll-like, more nonsense, idiotic, foolish etc. etc. for ever and ever, for all eternity.

John, you need to be more serious about your thinking and actions.

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News Item10/16/14 8:23 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Troll Spotter wrote:
That's right John. Everyone who doesn't agree with you because they believe the Bible must have a warped mind.
Keep taking the wafer like pills pal!
I believe the Bible is the inspired and inerrant Word of God. Nowhere in the Bible is church attendance/membership in any church mentioned as being required for salvation. The Bible states that the only requirement for salvation and entering Heaven is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation which means to embrace Jesus as ones Personal Savior. So if a Catholic trusts in Jesus alone for salvation by having embraced Jesus as their Savior then it is totally superfluous to their salvation if they remain in the Catholic Church because they will remain saved. Jesus will not look at the church that one attended in deciding who enters Heaven. Jesus will only look at who had embraced Him as their Savior and trusted in Him alone for salvation in deciding who enters Heaven. And for your information I don't accept the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. When I receive the bread and the cup of wine during Mass I believe I am receiving them the way the Lutheran Church teaches and not the way the Catholic Church teaches.
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News Item10/16/14 7:10 AM
Troll Spotter  Find all comments by Troll Spotter
John Yurich USA wrote:
It is only in your warped mind that a Catholic can't be a Christian and continue to attend the Catholic Church and remain saved. If a Catholic embraced Jesus as their Personal Savior and trusts in Him alone for salvation, adheres only to the scriptural Catholic doctrines, participates only in the scriptural parts to the Mass then they will remain saved and will enter Heaven regardless if they don't leave the Catholic Church and don't attend an Evangelical Protestant Church. Jesus will not look at the church that one attended in deciding who enters Heaven. Jesus will only look at who embraced Him as Savior and trusted in Him alone for salvation in deciding who enters Heaven.
That's right John. Everyone who doesn't agree with you because they believe the Bible must have a warped mind.

Keep taking the wafer like pills pal!

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News Item10/16/14 6:58 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
It is only...
Blah blah blah, rubbish, rubbish, tripe, tripe, nonsense, nonsense, and on and on, for eternity.

It would help if you took spiritual things more seriously, John.

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News Item10/16/14 4:07 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
s c wrote:
For those who could,at least,try to fool others into believing that there are such things as Christian catholics- I would imagine that it would be next to impossible to attend a church which undermines the propitiation of Christ alone/once if one was truly saved. One cannot act contrary to how one believes.
It is not "stunning" that the rc church is laxer on what the Bible calls an abomination; they don't value the contents of the Bible nearly as much as they esteem their misguided magisterium.
No surprises here.
It is only in your warped mind that a Catholic can't be a Christian and continue to attend the Catholic Church and remain saved. If a Catholic embraced Jesus as their Personal Savior and trusts in Him alone for salvation, adheres only to the scriptural Catholic doctrines, participates only in the scriptural parts to the Mass then they will remain saved and will enter Heaven regardless if they don't leave the Catholic Church and don't attend an Evangelical Protestant Church. Jesus will not look at the church that one attended in deciding who enters Heaven. Jesus will only look at who embraced Him as Savior and trusted in Him alone for salvation in deciding who enters Heaven.
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News Item10/15/14 9:40 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
For those who could,at least,try to fool others into believing that there are such things as Christian catholics- I would imagine that it would be next to impossible to attend a church which undermines the propitiation of Christ alone/once if one was truly saved. One cannot act contrary to how one believes.
It is not "stunning" that the rc church is laxer on what the Bible calls an abomination; they don't value the contents of the Bible nearly as much as they esteem their misguided magisterium.
No surprises here.
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News Item10/15/14 5:12 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Thank you for the kind words, gentlemen. The source I used is written by an ex-Catholic priest, who was a teacher and such for many years. John Ankerberg had a comment by him on parochial schools in his article, "Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion?" But after years has now taken it down. I don't know if Ankerberg found out that the fellow is now an atheist or what, but that doesn't nullify what he has to say about the Romish Church. But if you use "Father" McLoughlin as a source you might add that warning.
Oh, oh, has His Unholiness Franny overstepped in his rush to embrace queers? [URL=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vatican-backtracks-on-gay-tolerance-comments-after-angry-reaction-from-bishops-9795072.html?printService=print]]]Vatican backtracks on gay tolerance comments after angry reaction from bishops[/URL]. However, [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW-S9Ddws4w]]]Abuse Documentary: The Shame of the Catholic Church [Bishops] | Retro Report | The New York Times (12.5 min YouTube)[/URL].
Who cares what you have to state? No normal Evangelical Protestant cares one iota what you have to state about anything.
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News Item10/15/14 3:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
SteveR, the Romish Church is the expert in sending mixed signals, q.v., [URL=http://withchrist.org/catholic.htm]]]http://withchrist.org/catholic.htm (Who is a Roman Catholic?)[/URL] and [URL=http://www.fbbc.com/messages/catholic_herisies.htm]]]List of Heresies and Human Traditions Adopted and Perpetuated by the Roman Catholic Church in the Course of 1600 Years[/URL].

So, I agree with a lot of you message connotatively (especially) and some denotatively, But as those sites I gave we might not agree about the [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=rome_diffs]]]Basic Differences between Romanism and Bible Christianity[/URL].

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News Item10/15/14 2:45 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Oh, oh, has His Unholiness Franny overstepped in his rush to embrace queers? [URL=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vatican-backtracks-on-gay-tolerance-comments-after-angry-reaction-from-bishops-9795072.html?printService=print]]]Vatican backtracks on gay tolerance comments after angry reaction from bishops[/URL]. However, [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW-S9Ddws4w]]]Abuse Documentary: The Shame of the Catholic Church [Bishops] | Retro Report | The New York Times (12.5 min YouTube)[/URL].
imo- Western Culture is pressuring western Churches to embrace same sex marriage and not the other way around. It will be interesting to see how the RCC handles this divisive issue after seeing the international losses experienced by the Anglican Church over this same issue.

While the RCC has a strong base in anti gay marriage cultures worldwide, she still is desperate to maintain her standing in Europe and the US.

If I had to guess, they will continue with mixed signals and the Bishop of Rome doesnt seem to mind losing credibility for the vague appeasement

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