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Thank you so much for taking the time to respond, Unprofitable and pennned. I do know that the Jewish people bury their loved ones without embalming, unless there is a special circumstance which calls for travel or such and in boxes without nails, at that.Also many put some dirt from Israel on the actual body...very natural...also they always have someone with the body until it is buried. I like that they don't just turn the body over to strangers. I just did a search for Jewish burial customs...very interesting. There is so much that is not discussed and so much that occurs that is disgusting in the process...commonly.Any way...still diggin' up info. Thank you again.
pennned wrote: we dug a really really big hole once to plant a little little fruit tree, boy did we get strange looks from our friend and neighbor who happened to be a police officer!
Penny, I take it you were working on a visual aid film to demonstrate how God sanctifies his people?
To make it easier for the little tree to get started and develop its root system, it is necessary to dig the hole much deeper than the current roots, and fill it with a softer soil, perhaps a compost mixed with sharp sand. This makes the root growth much easier, and they go straight down into the ground no problem.
In our case, the Lord keeps the difficult growth till much later in our Christian life, making the first few years far easier until we have developed a good firm foundation, from which we can cope with more severe trials and even persecutions.
John UK wrote: That's it, Penny. A bit of land of your own, and bury your own dead without any cost at all apart from the digging. In my county you can apply to do this, and so long as it won't affect the purity of water courses and things like that, you can do it.
Since we are all true Israelites and therefore party to the Abrahamic promises, we should be able to claim a parcel of land in Israel for this purpose, shouldn't we?
pennned wrote: The Greeks used to cremate. It is connected with pagan beliefs. Traditionally Christians were buried in the earth as they believed they would be raised up on the last day. However, many Christians today are preferring cremation because it is less cost. I think its Tennessee where you can bury the dead without the chemicals and middle men. I like this idea in the fact that if the family has property, the loved one can be buried without huge cost. Let the jokes ensue...
That's it, Penny. A bit of land of your own, and bury your own dead without any cost at all apart from the digging. In my county you can apply to do this, and so long as it won't affect the purity of water courses and things like that, you can do it.
The Greeks used to cremate. It is connected with pagan beliefs. Traditionally Christians were buried in the earth as they believed they would be raised up on the last day. However, many Christians today are preferring cremation because it is less cost. I think its Tennessee where you can bury the dead without the chemicals and middle men. I like this idea in the fact that if the family has property, the loved one can be buried without huge cost. Let the jokes ensue...
[URL=http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1922_mauro_hope-israel.html]]] The Hope of Israel and Jewish fables [/URL]
Here is an extract:
NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES' (Titus 1:14)
Jewish fables (literally, myths) are no new thing. Paul has plainly warned the household of faith not to give heed thereto. He has not given us a list of those grievous heresies; but it is well known that the one that was most fondly cherished, and that constituted the gravest menace to the truth of the gospel, was the notion that the leading purpose of the mission of the coming Messiah would be the reconstitution of the Jewish nation and its elevation to the highest pinnacle of earthly dominion and glory; for that fatuous doctrine was the cornerstone of orthodox Judaism in Paul's day; and because of his sturdy opposition to it he was persecuted, his enemies plotted to take his life, and he was sent a prisoner to Rome. No wonder that, during the term of his imprisonment there, he wrote to Titus his plain-spoken warning against "Jewish fables."
s c wrote: Unprofitable Servant, have any thoughts?
Dear sister sc, I am honored that you would ask my thinking on this matter. The fact is you are probably better educated than I am on it, and I need to learn from you. I know that one of the local preachers up here who used to put out a monthly paper wrote against cremation and my pastor says he made an excellent case.
The Bible does mention cremation, i.e. the body of Saul and it was not uncommon during the time our Lord walked upon the earth, but it seems it was a more common practice to bury the deceased. (let the dead bury the dead, and we have the Israelites cleansing the land for 7 years by buring the dead, although Lurker will probably say that was figurative ) even Job talked about worms consuming his body when speaking of the resurrection. One way or the other we return to the dust.
There are probably much more learned brothers or sisters here in this matter. One thing is for certain, God will resurrect the body no matter how it is desposed of. Not sure I was much help, God bless.
I realize that this this off topic but was wanting some input on burial options. From what I have read in the Bible, cremation seems to be reserved for the wicked.Of course, there have probably been many saints who were burned at the stake. Obviously, their "cremating" wasn't volitional. I wouldn't suggest that Christians who have chosen to be cremated aren't Christians but am curious as to some of your thoughts out there on the subject. Promession is another option (freeze drying the body and then breaking it up). It is only available in Switzerland, I think. I realize that when saints die, our spirits go on to be with the Lord but there does seem to be a resurrection of the buried body at a later time. The thought of exposing the body to mold,bugs, and a slow rotting process seems like a drag and undignified which, in turn, makes a sped up option a little more attractive,albeit unnatural. Unprofitable Servant, have any thoughts?
the art of teaching, going from the known to the unknown. ...Thanks again for all the helpful posts you put out.
You are a gracious man, and I thank you for the interaction. I always appreciate your posts, even if sometimes I disagree with them. You bring great value to this website, and I for one am glad to make your acquaintance.
I do hope that you appreciate that I was not trying to point score, but genuinely trying to understand your hermeneutic in respect of the first ever prophecy recorded in the Bible.
The principle that I discern in the interpretation of that prophecy I believe can be applied to much of the prophetic genre. So we know from the passage that Christ was to be a man (the seed of the woman), and hence we see the incarnation. We also know that he was to engage in battle against Satan, that serpent, and be the victor, albeit that in the process he would be wounded, intimating that Christ must suffer etc.
As you say, we must let the word of Christ dwell in us richly in all wisdom. May the Lord help us all to know the depths of the riches that are laid up for our blessings.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: The passage in Genesis talks about the seed of the women. Eve certainly took it literally when she had Seth. If something is stated figuratively, we take it figuratively. I don't see that as inconsistent with a literal approach.
Thank you for clarifying that "literal" does not mean a literal face value, or carnal interpretation. I also accept that figurative language may be used to describe literal events.
However, even given all you say, I cannot see how the use of the word "seed" should prompt you to read Gen 3:15 in a figurative way. With the benefit of hindsight of course one can see the figurative nature of that verse, but taken in isolation as a prophecy I can understand Eve's mistake. The point is that it was a mistake nonetheless. In this I see a parallel not just in Jewish hermeneutics, but also in dispensational hermeneutics - the desire to accept the literal face value instead of the spiritual reality of verses. This is especially true in the prophetic genre where more often than not, especially in relation to the spiritual work and kingdom of Christ, the carnal or face value is used to communicate the spiritual reality. The Lord uses things we can understand to describe realities in the spiritual realm.
Helps, thanks again for your reply. I think I am understanding you to believe that if one takes the literal Bible genre then ALL must be taken literally. Which it obviously is not. I don't trim my wick everyday or sheer my wool. Also, as noted previously some passages that are figurative have literal fulfillment. Jesus said His sheep hear his voice and follow Him. I believe those born from above hear His voice in regeneration and they follow Him, I don't think they transform into an actual sheep. (obviously there is even more than can be derived from our Lord's analogy)
Some do carry the literal interpretation too far and actually limit their Bible to just a few passage they see applying to today, I believe all Scripture is profitable.
The passage in Genesis talks about the seed of the women. Eve certainly took it literally when she had Seth. If something is stated figuratively, we take it figuratively. I don't see that as inconsistent with a literal approach.
The Bible says flee youthful lust, we take that literally. The Bible says love the Lord your God, we take that literally. The Bible says let your light shine, we take that figuratively with a literal application of having a testimony that glorifies God.
James Thomas wrote: QUOTE]--- I have been following this topic with interest in regard to hermeneutics. How each individual arrives at the understanding they have. Does not our presuppositions dictate what we read to some extent for some and to the fullest extent for some? Then we have a verse that says "lean NOT on our own understanding" but yet most do. ---
Unprofitable Servant wrote: ... I believe that Christ bruised Satan's head at the same time Satan was bruising His heel. The crucifixion was both a bruising of the seed of the women, when the Lord of life, died and was laid in a borrowed tomb. And a crushing of Satan's head by the finished work on the cross and the glorious resurrection of our living Lord. ... I see a difference between interpretation and application which I view as manifold. God bless.
Thank you for your post. I agree with your understanding of Gen 3: 15, however, I am still struggling to understand why you would move away from a crudely literal interpretation of it when the prophecy is found in a historical book.
By crudely literal, I mean a carnal understanding that the Saviour would literally crush a serpent's head and would in the process receive a bruise.
What, in the context, makes you move away from the literal interpretation?
How would you defend your view if someone were to approach you and argue that this did not happen at Calvary, because the Lord received more than just a bruised heel and there is no record of any serpent present, let alone the Lord treading on one's head?
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Thanks John UK Agree with brother Mike, Genesis 37:26;42:38;44:29;44:31'and many other verses translate the word the grave. Now you have me in trouble with another group that post here
QUOTE][AUTHOR]Lurker[/AUTHOR]1) Objectively.... always, and let the chips fall where they may and deal with them.
I have been following this topic with interest in regard to hermeneutics. How each individual arrives at the understanding they have.
Does not our presuppositions dictate what we read to some extent for some and to the fullest extent for some?
Then we have a verse that says "lean NOT on our own understanding" but yet most do.
I can freely admit this has been a challenge for me, but being aware of it has helped me understand more of the mind of God and His Word... Understanding that a humble mind is a necessary ingredient to understand a spiritual message(Being Holy) from a spiritual being(The Holy God) to a fallible creature like me.