An advisory board to Germany's government has called for a revision of the country‚Äôs incest law, which would end the criminalization of sex between siblings. The 26-member German Ethics Council's recommendations follow a controversial incest case, in which a brother and his half-sister had four children together ‚ÄĒ including two who are disabled. Patrick Stuebing, who met his half-sister when he was 24 and she was 16, served more than three years in prison after authorities deemed the relationship unlawful. ‚ÄúThe majority of the German Ethics Council believes that it is not appropriate for a criminal law to preserve a social taboo,‚ÄĚ Dr. Michael Wunder, a psychotherapist and member of the council, told NBC News. ‚ÄúBut the ethics council does not recommend decriminalizing sex between parents and children.‚ÄĚ...
I apologize to everyone here on the form, and I want to accept Jesus as my saviour! Thank you POT for your loving kindness when I've been so mean to you and the others on this form! Your example is one of the biggest reasons why I have been convicted of my sin, and have seeked the Lord. For now on my moniker will "Redeemed Devil". I apologize again to everyone here on this form, and I hope you will forgive me, and that there is not any hard feelings toward me! If there are, I can understand, and I will try to earn your forgiveness. Thanks for opening my eyes!
Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
While is clear that hell was to be the future abode of the devil and his demons, that does not mean that God never intended to punish the impenitent lost there. To say, well humans will end up there but that wasn't God's original plan would mean that the following scenario would have to take place:
The holy Trinity were looking down upon Their creation and suddenly noticed the serpent tempting Eve. When to Their amazement not only did she fall, her husband deliberately followed her in disobedience. They had to counsel now, the entire human race was ruined. They could choice to save a remnant according to grace but what to do with those who were not recepients of mercy. Well, We have this place call Hell that We made for the devil and demons, I guess We will have to send them there also.
I trust you can easily see how absurb such a scenario would be for an omniscient God. God always intended that the impentitent lost would spend eternity in the place where the worm dies not and the flame is not quenched. May we, by His grace and for His glory, not be hardened to the eternal fate of those who know not God but be motivated to warn sinners to flee the wrath to come.
H Fermer and I both have these words as a statement Of belief from ourselves:
"God...created hell for the punishment of men, women and children."
HF 9/26/14 11:21 AM D 9/26/14 11:59 AM
H Fermer, do you agree that we both have said the same thing in regard to what I have quoted from us and excluding what I left out from our original quotes?
My main point obviously is to see what we agree about before we get into any areas of possibly disagreeing about things. Or, a person or persons tries to drive a wedge between us as often occurs in principal, in my view, at SermonAudio.
Dopey wrote: God in mercy also created hell for the punishment of men, women and children. God's way
According to the Word of God ..... Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Matt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Dopey wrote: "a God of mercy certainly wouldn't want them unhappy the rest of their lives!"
God in all equity and justice created hell for the punishment of men, women and children.
Mike wrote: But I thought God instituted all governments and none of them are a terror to good works
How can you think like that under Obama, Mike?? Is this not a fallen world?
Politicians as you know Mike, are sinners. Sin dominates them. But God uses them whether blind and ignorant to the truth or not. (Isaiah 10:5,6) EG: God uses them to punish the nation through bad leadership. Sin punishes the sinner. Mat 5:45 your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
God's Holy Word is perfect - But like Romans 13 man's institutions cannot obey the Word perfectly. The church is a case in point - The RCC, JW's, Mormons all identify themselves as church, (Why even the Arminians do). But do they obey the Bible? Sin dominates man. Satan has his way with man and governments and nations.
God's way. Isaiah 55:8-9. Job 42:1-6. Rom 9:21-22. Rom 8:28 "all things work together for good" - both good and bad.
Mike wrote: But I thought God instituted all governments and none of them are a terror to good works, but to the evil, and if you just do good, you will be praised by them. Are you saying there are governments that don't do this, and therefore aren't instituted by God?
H Fermer wrote: --- Government and politicians are the instrument of Satan in the nations and continue to authorise and institute all that opposes Biblical laws and precepts. Germany legalised registered partnerships for homosexuals in 2001, so no surprise that they continue to go down the path of evil immoral dung in their "Ethics(ha ha) Council" Germany contends with God's Holy law. "Lev 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD."
But I thought God instituted all governments and none of them are a terror to good works, but to the evil, and if you just do good, you will be praised by them. Are you saying there are governments that don't do this, and therefore aren't instituted by God?