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FRONT PAGE  |  9/28/2020
FRIDAY, JAN 23, 2009  |  21 comments
Two Roman Catholic priests have been accused of stealing $800,000 (£577,000)from the collection plate of their church in the US state of Florida.
They allegedly planned to spend the money on property, holidays and gambling.

One of the priests, Fr John Skehan, 81, abandoned his not guilty plea, but Fr Francis Guinan, 66, denies the charges.

US law - the statute of limitations - prevents the priests being charged with thefts that occurred before 2001.

But the auditors say that up to $8m might have disappeared over a period of 20 years.


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News Item1/24/09 11:01 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
G.G.,

Much said with itty bitty.
They may be witty.

You a'int sittin pretty.
A'int that a pity.

You must repent!
And that a'int Lent.

Same old song.
Rome is wrong.

JOHN 3:36

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News Item1/24/09 12:28 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Your words they rhyme.
Your words are witty.
Your words in error.
A'int that a pity!

Don't you just love poetry?

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News Item1/24/09 6:04 AM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Jim,

Good post on the organized thievery with indulgences.

GG.

The Vatican.
Ruled by a man.

The pope wanted his castle.
No major hassle.

Finding a grand scheme?
Simple for a man so mean.

Indulgence-twist Scripture like a pretzel.
Now where is Mr. Tetzel?

Sins punishments are killed.
If you help us build.

His sale of letters.
Tightened the fetters.

Corrupt! Echoed a brave monk.
Indulgence has always stunk.

Unlike us.
Wycliffe and Hus.

Voices unheard.
Never deterred.

Indulgences, the papacy no stronger.
Christ's death, an offering no longer.

This wild boar.
Would soar and soar.

Luther himself was once a priest.
Hope when man sees himself a beast.

LUKE 5:8

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News Item1/23/09 7:59 PM
enough already  Find all comments by enough already
Guinness,
Let us pray for the millions of lost souls just like gg who, by thinking they are saved, are the most dangerous kind. Let us pray for the half-hearted approach the world has when it comes to sin, the lack of seriousness, the misunderstanding of what the end result is, and most importantly, God's extreme white hot hatred of it.
May the Lord richly bless you friend
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News Item1/23/09 7:44 PM
Guinness  Find all comments by Guinness
enough already wrote:
gg, You make light of this sin, bringing up the number of overall priests and stating out of that number, only 4 have done wrong! You who claim to believe in Christ, yet think it's no big deal when sin is exposed. You defend it by comparison. You are a product of corrupt theology, false doctrine, and loyalty to man. You are blinded by the very doctrine you claim saves, yet, by your words, you reveal what really lies inside. What does 'a new creation in Christ' mean in the RCC doctrine?
Excellent comment Enough Already. Also your further comment "Let us never gloss over the grievous acts of sin, no matter where it comes from. "

The tragedy is in these days there is no difference between the RCC and Protestantism when sin is exposed.

Neil wrote:
"who actually thinks clerics are beyond reproach?"
I have firsthand experience with "Protestant" churchgoers who believe the Pastor is always right (both ethically & theologically).
I second that. The precise words were
"I wont hear a word said against my pastor" - to evident acclaimation of more than half of the church regardless of the documented evidence.

May God send his gospel forth to replace hearts of stone with hearts of flesh!

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News Item1/23/09 7:38 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
If my family's welfare were affected by this clerical larceny, it wouldn't make the greater larceny any less larcenous or reportable.

You are right about some churchgoers believing the Pastor is always right. Guess they haven't been told of the Bereans

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News Item1/23/09 7:22 PM
enough already  Find all comments by enough already
Let us never gloss over the grievous acts of sin, no matter where it comes from. This story is not one that should be glanced over with a flippant attitude...it should break hearts that sin is so rampant in our society...especially in this 'so called church'. It should cause us to cry out to God to break the hearts of these men caught in the enslavement of sin. Where is the heart of Christ here? It seems a tad selfish to have the 'it doesn't concern me' attitude. And we wonder why the true church is so ineffective.
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News Item1/23/09 7:14 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
So reporting about a case of clerical larceny isn't objective & is a waste of time since it doesn't affect Mike's world. I'll need time to absorb this reasoning.

"who actually thinks clerics are beyond reproach?"

I have firsthand experience with "Protestant" churchgoers who believe the Pastor is always right (both ethically & theologically).

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News Item1/23/09 7:04 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Neil wrote:
So should the media suppress stories like this & only report gov't waste & fraud because it's much larger? I'm sure GG would be pleased, at least.
Not at all. Neither should it gloss over greater corruption elsewhere. Why the lack of objectivity? My family's welfare won't be affected by 2 priests who steal, unlike the other. Besides, who actually thinks clerics are beyond reproach?
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News Item1/23/09 5:54 PM
Dr. Phil  Find all comments by Dr. Phil
In all due respect gentlemen, these arguments are irrelevant. If the government steals, which it does, it does not provide the grounds for another to break the law which states "Thou shalt not steal".

But, that being said, I am certain the government will handle this case of theft the same way that it has handled the many cases of Roman Catholic priests charged with pedophelia. The only redeeming thing about this is that the money these priests stole will not make its way into the hands of the Anti-christ of Rome (at least for a while until he gets some of this bail out money). This will certainly bring pressure on OB1 to deal with this in severity. You can rape children and the Anti-christ will pardon, but let us see how he feels about robbing from his money belt.

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News Item1/23/09 5:26 PM
OB1 Presidente  Find all comments by OB1 Presidente
Neil wrote:
So should the media suppress stories like this & only report gov't waste & fraud because it's much larger? I'm sure GG would be pleased, at least.
Great Scott Neil! You mean in a government with thousands upon thousands of managers and administrators there were actually 4 bad workers in a little over a year? Alert the press...there's a crime wave goings on!

What? Members of the government never steal, abuse, lie? If they do, then perhaps they too are "unregenerated in their hearts".

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News Item1/23/09 4:42 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
It's news because clerics, who are supposed to be beyond reproach, make great targets for public disgrace.

So should the media suppress stories like this & only report gov't waste & fraud because it's much larger? I'm sure GG would be pleased, at least.

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News Item1/23/09 4:30 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Why is this news? The government steals more than that every day.
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News Item1/23/09 3:50 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Back in the medieval days of RCC supremacy (which many "Protestants" like Colson & the Recons long for), these men (if in England) could plead "Benefit of Clergy" & get softer treatment by an ecclesiastical court. This loophole was progressively closed by English monarchs (starting before the Reformation).

At one time it was enough to "prove" clerical status by reciting Psalm 51 as a literacy test, it thus being nicknamed the "Neck Verse" (in that it saved one from harsher civil penalties like the gallows).

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News Item1/23/09 3:33 PM
enough already | usa  Find all comments by enough already
gg, You make light of this sin, bringing up the number of overall priests and stating out of that number, only 4 have done wrong! You who claim to believe in Christ, yet think it's no big deal when sin is exposed. You defend it by comparison. You are a product of corrupt theology, false doctrine, and loyalty to man. You are blinded by the very doctrine you claim saves, yet, by your words, you reveal what really lies inside. What does 'a new creation in Christ' mean in the RCC doctrine?
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News Item1/23/09 2:59 PM
Robert | North Carolina  Find all comments by Robert
GG, as a former Catholic, I can understand your touchiness. It used to seem to me that Catholics were being picked on by the press and by Protestants. I hated hearing stories about the sins of the Catholic clergy and vocational workers.

When I was kindly confronted by someone about the basis of my belief that I was a Christian, I had to admit that it all rested on certain traditional things I had done in the past and continued to practice: baptism, communion, confirmation, adherence to certain rituals like confession. When it was pointed out to me that the best source of truth about Jesus is the Bible, and that God claimed in the Bible that it was a perfect book, I had to admit I didn't know much about it and certainly didn't study it.

When I read the Bible, and asked God to help me understand it, he did. When I saw how sinful I am, I could do nothing but ask God to have mercy on me.

He has been merciful to me. Considering my own depravity and my tendency to sin even now that I have been born from above, it is very difficult for me to worry about the sins of others. God will deal with them all.

The question is, Are you ready for that day? If you believe you are, how do you know that? If you're not sure, the answer is in the book, and nowhere else, my friend.

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News Item1/23/09 2:11 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
GG~ again, you seem to defend sinful men based on a loyalty to a denomination; by doing so, you go against Christ. Any lost sinner, regardless of denomination preference, is always exposed by their actions. This reveals the true condition of their hearts. In this case, we have an ongoing thievery taking place over a span of numerous years. This makes it pretty clear there hasn't been repentance or remorse for what they have done--they've knowingly sinned against God the whole time. They may be sorry now, that they have been caught, but it would be a worldly sorrow.
It just so happens this story concerns two priests, which verifies you cannot judge a book by its cover. Just because they hold a 'title' does not mean they belong to Christ. This hold true for all denominations, thus the necessity of being a good 'fruit' inspector.
Faulty doctrine and teaching produces faulty converts.

Add this to the list of sodomite priests, preachers, pastors and teachers of all denominations, and you can see God bringing down the hammer on these false teachers, preachers, pastors, priests.

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News Item1/23/09 2:07 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Great Scott Jim! You mean in a Church with thousands upon thousands of monks, priests and nuns, there were actually 4 bad clergy in a little over a year? Alert the press...there's a crime wave goings on!
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News Item1/23/09 1:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
GG, the Popish Church does everything on such a grand scale! Just less than a year ago, there were two embezzlement cases in Omaha, about a Catholic priest and nun embezzling money, in separate incidences. No, nothing matches the number e.g., [URL=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/handofgod/view/]]]Hand of God[/URL] or the size of criminality of what the Romish Church does, Remember [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=indulg]]]Indulgences [/URL]? You mean like the organized thievery that a fellow named Martin Luther pointed out?

Just like you can ask the question, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC1299W2.htm]]]Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?[/URL], the same question can be asked about many televangelists (like His Unholiness on Youtube. ) It is good of you pointing out two wrongs make a right.

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News Item1/23/09 1:12 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
What? Members of the Protestant never steal, abuse, lie? If they do, then perhaps they too are "unregenerated in their hearts".
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