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Choice News FRIDAY, NOV 21, 2008  |  80 comments
The View: 'A lot' of homeschooled kids are 'demented'
While discussing Obama and the education of his two daughters, Joy Behar, a former public school teacher, described homeschooled children as "demented" on ABC's "The View."

"I think they should get an education just like George Bush in the White House did," Behar joked on the Nov. 19 show.


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News Item12/3/08 6:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
castanet:

I refer you to my response over on the Evangelism forum.
You see that Charles Spurgeon was a TUPPIP just like me.
Thanks for letting me know that.

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News Item12/2/08 7:03 PM
Castanet  Find all comments by Castanet
John UK wrote:
you'll also find that he poo poo's the whole idea of a limited atonement, calling the atonement of infinite worth, yet wisely explaining the particular purpose.
To suggest that C H Spurgeon rejects any of the Doctrines of Grace is untrue.
He was a complete and stalwart preacher for the Biblical facts that are outlined in T.U.L.I.P. He also preached on Limited Atonement.

[URL=http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:VV6ubeFk99oJ:www.spurgeongems.org/tulip-3.pdf+C+H+Spurgeon+Limited+Atonement&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk]]]Limited Atonement by CH Spurgeon.[/URL]

John UK
The "seed" you seek to plant is very subtle, but obvious.

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News Item12/2/08 6:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
"There is no soul living who holds more firmly to the doctrines of grace than I do, and if any man asks me whether I am ashamed to be called a Calvinist, I answer ‚ÄĒ I wish to be called nothing but a Christian; but if you ask me, do I hold the doctrinal views which were held by John Calvin, I reply, I do in the main hold them, and rejoice to avow it. But far be it from me even to imagine that Zion contains none but Calvinistic Christians within her walls, or that there are none saved who do not hold our views."

This quotation of C.H. Spurgeon sums up my feelings on the matter exactly. In the same article: "A Defense of Calvinsm", you'll also find that he poo poo's the whole idea of a limited atonement, calling the atonement of infinite worth, yet wisely explaining the particular purpose.

I would recommend the reading of this wonderful article. It brings glory to the soul. What a writer!

A Defence of CALVINISM.

http://www.spurgeon.org/calvinis.htm

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News Item12/2/08 10:10 AM
Pikestaff  Find all comments by Pikestaff
AnotherJohn wrote:
it strikes me as if some of you claim to know the mind of God and to know His thought processes when it comes to election......

No one and I mean no one can know

The problem with this statement is that it suggests that God's people cannot know of something which is clearly taught in Scripture.

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
= Do you imply that the Remnant will not know who they are?
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
= Do you say that they will not know the difference and be aware of grace; thus carry on a works based religious effort? Eg. RCC?
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
= "blinded" implies that the rest could not see. Can you see?
OR
Do you have the spirit of slumber?
8 (According as it is written, GOD HATH GIVEN THEM the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.
= NB It is GOD who provides the perception - and the lack of it to some. This is God's WORD.

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News Item12/2/08 8:23 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
AnotherJohn wrote:
Looking back through most of these posts it strikes me as if some of you claim to know the mind of God and to know His thought processes when it comes to election and or free will.
You can take statements isolated from many parts of scripture to prove both sides of the argument. That in and of itself makes it a debatable matter and by definition should not be argued over by true believers. It saddens my heart when I see and hear this.
No one and I mean no one can know for sure the dynamics involved within the Godhead in these decisions for Christ and we should leave it at that. That causes a deeper need for faith in the One that saved us and not a point to argue over.
That is a reasonable comment, bro John, and I agree with some of it. I too am saddened by the sometimes aggressive arguments between genuine believers.

A former bishop of Liverpool, one John C Ryle, is one man who was able to marry the seemingly contradictory statements of scripture, and make absolute sense of them. I can recommend reading his comments on the four gospels. They will warm your heart, without straying into error.

One thing is for sure, though. The 'spiritually dead' have no will for doing anything 'spiritual'.

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News Item12/1/08 10:53 PM
AnotherJohn | Georgia  Find all comments by AnotherJohn
Looking back through most of these posts it strikes me as if some of you claim to know the mind of God and to know His thought processes when it comes to election and or free will.

You can take statements isolated from many parts of scripture to prove both sides of the argument. That in and of itself makes it a debatable matter and by definition should not be argued over by true believers. It saddens my heart when I see and hear this.

No one and I mean no one can know for sure the dynamics involved within the Godhead in these decisions for Christ and we should leave it at that. That causes a deeper need for faith in the One that saved us and not a point to argue over.

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News Item12/1/08 9:48 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
John,

The new TBS Windsor Text Bible is great. The text is clear and easy to read. I ordered several copies back in October and I love the one I'm using. The print is great and you can't beat the price for a calfskin Bible ($32 for one with Metrical Psalms). It comes with a daily reading plan and a glossary of obsolete words.

I understand a large print edition is next.

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News Item12/1/08 6:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kenny my man!

It's great to renew fellowship with you bro, and I'm glad to be back.

I have never forgotten your kind and gracious posts to me when I was struggling with the Bible Version issue. They were a great source of help and encouragement, and I am pleased to say that my study of the Bible is enhanced by the knowledge that I can fully trust what I am reading. Thank you bro.

If you get the Quarterly Record, you'll know that TBS have started printing Bibles themselves, and have a new design with wonderful new format with clear typeface. I may just get one, as they have priced it real low.

That's it for today from here in the hills, so g'night all.

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News Item12/1/08 4:54 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
John UK wrote:

"I have discovered that every time I listen to a sermon, I have to discern carefully whether or not it is keeping to biblical doctrine. I should not have to do this, but if I attended every church round here to a radius of twenty miles, I should have to have a good knowledge of the Bible in order to check out the preacher. It is those who are ignorant of the Bible who can fall prey to cults and so on. Every sermon should expound GOD'S WORD, and HIS WORD only. Any more is extra-biblical."

Amen!

Let me second Norman's thoughts (Hi Norman!) and say that it's great to see John back on here. I have always enjoyed John's posts.

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News Item12/1/08 3:29 PM
Investigative Postelating  Find all comments by Investigative Postelating
Norman Smith wrote:
Hi John,
welcome back to the hornets nest.I am absolutely delighted to see you back here !
To those who dont know John UK,...well,i have met him personally ,and we had a lovely day in Tiverton a couple of years ago open air preaching,displaying the placard,handing out gospel tracts,and speaking to lost souls.
John UK is one of the most gracious and humble Christians i have ever met...and he is a brilliant open air preacher !Praise the Lord !......

May the Lord have mercy on us all.

What an interesting comment Norman!

I wonder what prompted you to do this Public Relations job for dear ole John, at this moment in time and debate?

9 Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed.
10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
12 O LORD of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee. Psalm 84

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News Item12/1/08 1:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Stormin Norman

Thank you for your kind words of welcome back. Mike also did recently.

You think we can get together sometime next year for evangelism?

Sure we can, my dearest bro!

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News Item12/1/08 12:27 PM
Norman Smith | New Haw,Surrey,England  Find all comments by Norman Smith
Hi John,
welcome back to the hornets nest.I am absolutely delighted to see you back here !

To those who dont know John UK,...well,i have met him personally ,and we had a lovely day in Tiverton a couple of years ago open air preaching,displaying the placard,handing out gospel tracts,and speaking to lost souls.

John UK is one of the most gracious and humble Christians i have ever met...and he is a brilliant open air preacher !Praise the Lord !

Oh if that could happen again what a joy to my heart that would be.."please Lord,if it is thy will,may John and i be used by thyself to evangelise the lost on a day sometime."

May the Lord have mercy on us all.

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News Item12/1/08 11:30 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Sticksandstones:

Ha!

"Is calling a church a 'Baptist Church' any more profitable than calling a man a 'calvinist' or a church called a 'Sovereign Grace Baptist Church'..."

The answer to your question is "no".

Ok bro?

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News Item12/1/08 11:12 AM
sticksandstones  Find all comments by sticksandstones
'Wesley Methodist' after John Wesley, nor Calvinist after John Calvin'

Again we have denominations who are 'Baptist' either following John THE Baptist or is it the the mode ; we have presbyterians because of their belief on church government; we have congregationalists etc and even 'churches of God' (which is also in the scriptures!) Say John you were a Baptist and attend a Baptist Church like for e.g. 'LOcaltown Baptist church'

Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Is calling a church a 'Baptist Church' any more profitable than calling a man a 'calvinist' or a church called a 'Sovereign Grace Baptist Church'...yet we understand why there is a need for labels because even a 'baptist' has more than just the mode in that Baptist Church denominational label.

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News Item12/1/08 10:10 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thought Provoking:

I am truly sorry if my comments concerning what the Bible teaches have offended you, or any other. It was at an early point in my Christian life, when I started reading the Bible, that I realised my convictions on this subject. I would not accept the term 'Wesley Methodist' after John Wesley, nor Calvinist after John Calvin (whom I love in the Lord), nor any other name. The scriptures that convinced me are these:

"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?" 1Cor 3:1-5.

A similar exhortation is found in 1 Cor 1:10-13.

As I said, if I have caused you any difficulty over this, I apologise to you unreservedly, but you do understand that I cannot reverse my thinking. If others call me a Calvinist, that is up to them, but I will not call myself one.

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News Item12/1/08 9:45 AM
Thought provoking  Find all comments by Thought provoking
John UK wrote:
Because the Holy Ghost leads Christ's People into truth, and truth is found in the BIBLE only. This Bible (Authorised Version) tells me (thus Christ tells me) never to follow a man, nor to take a man's name as a label. I wish that all 'Calvinists' would repent of this crime, and be more biblical. They claim 'sola scriptura' but in deeds they do not follow the scriptures on a multitude of things.
To make this statement about quote "the Calvinist" you must have judged the said person and all who would relate to the Biblical Doctrines of Grace, as unChristian and even ignorant of doctrine.
It is rather churlish of you to suggest that we follow a person and you are clearly a liar on this particular derogatory remark. Also I might add you are ignorant, of the devout conviction, of millions of people who are happy and theologically convinced, to stand with John Calvin and Augustine in their correct reading of Scripture.

If you were to debate Scripture and exposition, then perhaps this discussion might have meaning. But instead you have got a bee in your bonnet about the term "Calvinist" and are offending people because of it.

Therefore I have no wish to continue with your spiteful display of discrimination.

May God be with you.

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News Item11/30/08 6:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike from New York

Before I turn in for the night, just one thing to say you bro:

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News Item11/30/08 6:40 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John, you're just being insensitive. You must learn to tiptoe through the tulips.
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News Item11/30/08 6:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thought Provoking:
Nice try, but to take my comments out of their context is rather devious. Skilful, but devious.
Let's start again shall we?

I too can see what Spurgeon means by the 'biblical doctrines of grace'. Yet I am not a Calvinist, nor will I ever be a Calvinist.

WHY NOT? Because the Holy Ghost leads Christ's People into truth, and truth is found in the BIBLE only. This Bible (the glorious Authorised Version) tells me (and thus Christ tells me) never to follow a man, nor to take a man's name as a label. I wish that all 'Calvinists' would repent of this crime, and be more biblical. They claim 'sola scriptura' but in deeds they do not follow the scriptures on a multitude of things.

There are no Calvinists in heaven, but there will be a vast number of incapable and wretched sinners, chosen in Christ before the world began, for whom Christ died, who were powerfully called by him, and who will be kept by him forever.

That was my post in context. Now SOLA SCRIPTURA and the term CALVINIST are at odds with each other. The one says we follow God's word ONLY, but a person taking the name Calvinist is disobeying God's word. My post closes with a brief summary of my doctrinal position. Did you not see a tulip there? How then did I repudiate it? OK?

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News Item11/30/08 4:04 PM
Thought provoking  Find all comments by Thought provoking
John UK wrote:
So if you would like to point out where I sat in judgment, and repudiated the doctrines of, the reformed churches, you had better tell me rather quick, eh?
Now let me get this straight.
You want me to reread your posts below - so that I can tell you what you said???
And presumably we are then to proceed in an orderly direction to placate your judgment of my posts???

Why don't you reread your posts to perceive where we differ, vis a vis the Reformed Doctrines of Grace which Calvinism stands on.

Just to help you in your comprehension of the state of play at this juncture.
YOU stated.....
1] "Yet I am not a Calvinist, nor will I ever be a Calvinist. "
2] "WHY NOT? Because the Holy Ghost leads Christ's People into truth, and truth is found in the BIBLE only."
3] "I wish that all 'Calvinists' would repent of this crime, and be more biblical."
4] "There are no Calvinists in heaven"

Now "Calvinism" and "Reformed" are synonymous, - you did realise that didn't you John? (Being genuine - not a criticism)

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