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FRONT PAGE  |  11/19/2019
Choice News THURSDAY, JAN 24, 2008  |  28 comments
Scouts service was not ecumenical says Paisley
Editor's note: Dr. Paisley has personally dealt with many of these controversies in a recent Sunday morning service (1/20/08) at Martyrs Memorial FPC, Belfast, Northern Ireland. You can hear the entire audio here.

A Ballymena priest has sought to clarify claims that a service in which he recently took part with Ian Paisley was ecumenical in nature.

The service was attended by Protestant and Catholic Scouts and their parents. It is understood that Mr Paisley was there in his capacity as First Minister and as the local MP and MLA.

However, following radio coverage on the story, a difference of opinion appears to have arisen as to whether or not the service was ecumenical. Mr Paisley, who stepped down as Moderator of the Free Presbyterian Church on Friday night after more than 50 years in office, indicated yesterday that he would not have agreed to take part in such a service, and claimed that arrangements had been changed.

" I would like to state categorically that I consented to no such service in Ballymena," he said in a statement, following a recorded interview with Fr Symonds on BBC's Sunday Sequence.

Mr Paisley told the programme: "I was asked by the Scouts to attend a celebration of their movement. They also asked me to read the scriptures and to pray and then say a few words.

"When I arrived at the service those arrangements were completely changed. The priest concerned maintained on Sunday Sequence that I had agreed to taking part with him in the service.

"This is totally untrue. I was never officially told that the service order had been changed and I would not have agreed to take part in an ecumenical service.

"I was quite happy to speak to the Scouts and also to stand with them when they took their pledge of allegiance to the Queen."


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News Item1/26/08 5:59 PM
Alan | Ulster / Northern Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Alan
Pete - re sodomite funding - Dr Paisley made clear in his sermon the funds were allocated prior to devolution by the Secretary of State, Peter Hain of the British Labour Party and that when such matters were devolved from London to Belfast he refused to sign the appropriate papers to give them the rest of the money so the Westminster / London officials went over and above him to cintinue the funding and as to going to the High Court - well the legal challenge was initially against the Westminster government who introduced pro-sodomite legislation at Westminster firstly for northern Ireland and then for UK - once devolution kicked in then the defendent changed from Westminster government to the NI government and the office responsible for it - the First Ministers Office - Dr Paisley has no say whatsoever in it, the government office is duty bound to make a defense of the laws of the land which they did not actually legislate for.... london did)
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News Item1/26/08 1:03 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican | U.S.A.  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
And Again:

I'm WITH Dr./Br. Ian R.K. Paisley (First Minister, MP MLA) On THIS ONE!

As A Former Political Candidate; I'm VERY Familiar With The "Bait&Switch" Techniques/Tactics That Go On In Pre-Arrainged Political/Social Meetings, Gatherings and Functions.

It was a TRAP; so as to Falsely Accuse Dr./Br. Paisley of Being A Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic Ecumenist!

Which He DEFINITELY & DIAMETRICALLY is NOT!

"I would like to state categorically that I consented to NO such service in Ballymena"

"I was asked by the Scouts to attend a celebration of their movement. They also asked me to read the Scriptures and to pray and then say a few words."

"When I arrived at the service those arrangements were completely CHANGED. The (Satanic-Vaticanist) priest concerned maintained on Sunday Sequence that I had agreed to taking part with him in the service."

"This is TOTALLY UNTRUE. I was NEVER officially TOLD that the service order had been CHANGED and I would NOT have agreed to take part in an ecumenical service."

"I was quite happy to speak to the Scouts and also to stand with them when they took their pledge of allegiance to the Queen."

It Basically Boils Down To 2 Things:

1.You BELIEVE Ian Paisley
2.You DISBELIEVE Ian Paisley

I'M WITH BIG IAN !

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News Item1/26/08 12:31 PM
Pete | USA  Find all comments by Pete
I have listened to the Sermon which is a diatribe against one of his ministers for daring to criticize him as well as a hollow defense of his actions.

Two prominent points:

(1) The FACT remains that IRKP did take part in a service that he knew from before the beginning of the Service that a Jesuit Priest would be leading in prayer and reading the Scriptures. I accept he may not have known about this before he arrived but HE ADMITS HE KNEW THE MOMENT HE ARRIVED!! So, why did he not leave or stay outside till the Priest was finished his piece? Judging from his excuse, we can only deduce that if it had of been a Sodomite minister he would still have stayed on to speak as he justifies his presence by waiting to see the Scouts give their pledge of allegiance to the Queen!

(2) IRKP did in fact go to the High Court in Belfast to defend the Sodomite Laws against the Evangelical Christian Community's legal challenge. The Case Report is here:

http://www.courtsni.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/EA5461E1-AE50-42BA-A12D-B09ACA992B41/0/j_j_WEAC5888Final.htm

No One can defend what he did here from teh Bible - the FPC should have thrown him out for this alone.

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News Item1/26/08 12:08 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican | U.S.A.  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
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News Item1/25/08 2:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Apparently Scouting didn't hurt you, Neil.

Gil Rugh wrote:
Prayer is not an option available to every person on the earth. We sometimes have a national day of prayer or a world day of prayer, but we must keep in mind that God does not honor the prayers of everyone. Prayer is a family matter, a privilege given to those who can call God “Father.”...
from, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L109.pdf]]]Prayer[/URL].

Just another problem for a Christian that goes into politics, being put into a circumstance, that isn't Christian, something I believe that AVA alluded to
[URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L117.pdf]]]Christian and Catholics -- never together![/URL]

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News Item1/25/08 9:19 AM
JE | Wisconsin  Find all comments by JE
"Behold, all souls are mine" (Ezekiel 18:4). Dr. Paisley doesn't believe that. You can here him say this twelve minutes into his sermon: "And some of these people owe their souls to me."
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News Item1/25/08 8:46 AM
concerned free p | NI  Find all comments by concerned free p
33K
This priest is known by Paisley and he should have walked out when he prayed, as he would have don’t in the past, but now he likes to court Rome to prolong his political career in Northern Ireland as first minister.
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News Item1/24/08 11:52 PM
33k  Find all comments by 33k
Mr Paisley told the programme. wrote:
"This is totally untrue. I was never officially told that the service order had been changed and I would not have agreed to take part in an ecumenical service.
Since it is totally untrue please put the whole issue to rest and confirm that you neither unofficially nor officially knew of the nature of the service.
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News Item1/24/08 9:14 PM
reformanda | U.S.A  Protected NameFind all comments by reformanda
Alan wrote:
I don`t see this as any different than Dr Paisley attending the poppy day / remembrance day / veteran day service in London representing Northern Ireland as First Minister....that was a `non-denominational service` through a thrid party..the Royal British Legion as this was through the Scouts..its not quite the same as a joint ecumenical service in my mind!
He said the mayor and deputy mayor of Ballymena attended the event and that Mr Symonds was the only clergyman invited to the event in that capacity.
Nice try Alan. Sorry the facts get in the way again! 1)Dr Paisley saw fit to mount a defense of his attendance. Why was your "poppy-day" example not part of his defense? 2) The MAYOR was NOT there - Mr Mills and others stayed AWAY because of the priest being on the order of service. Why did they not see it as a "poppy-day like" event? The SDLP deputy Mayor took Mills' place. 3)The "old" Paisley would NOT have gone near such a service, and you know it! Successive Royal occasions were boycotted because of ecumenists having a leading role in services (i.e. Di & Charles Wedding). Either he was wrong THEN, or he is wrong NOW - which is it Alan?
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News Item1/24/08 8:08 PM
Alan | Ulster / Northern Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Alan
I don`t see this as any different than Dr Paisley attending the poppy day / remembrance day / veteran day service in London representing Northern Ireland as First Minister....that was a `non-denominational service` through a thrid party..the Royal British Legion as this was through the Scouts..its not quite the same as a joint ecumenical service in my mind!

A spokesman for the scouts
"It was a celebration of scouting and not an ecumenical service and as such it followed the normal format of a scouting organisation event," he said.
"It was led by the scouts and Fr Paul Symonds simply opened and closed prayers. But Dr Paisley was there on civic duties only, not in a religious capacity."

He said the mayor and deputy mayor of Ballymena attended the event and that Mr Symonds was the only clergyman invited to the event in that capacity.
"The order of the Thanksgiving Service was presented by a scout leader of one of the Mid-Antrim District Scout groups and Fr Paul Symonds, as chaplain of the organising scout group, was invited to say the opening and closing prayers of thanksgiving during the service.
"The Scout Association would like to make it clear that this was a thanksgiving service to celebrate the centenary of scouting, organised by, and led by, Mid-Antrim District Sco

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News Item1/24/08 7:54 PM
realitycheck | U.S.A.  Protected NameFind all comments by realitycheck
And the Pope just got saved!!! Err..sorry..that's "shaved"...he is on his way to do another Mass.
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News Item1/24/08 7:16 PM
actually, I DO know | London  Find all comments by actually, I DO know
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News Item1/24/08 7:10 PM
Hal Ewood | cyberspace  Protected NameFind all comments by Hal Ewood
AVA...you are a broken record. We know where you stand on this...but you are wrong, like a whole lot more. He was there; the priest was there;the priest prayed (twice) and he spoke from the Bible: Ecumenical by any other name - end of story. Politics and Religion: bad mix. Keep drinking the Koolaid.....
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News Item1/24/08 7:04 PM
derek | Missouri  Find all comments by derek
A chosen elect saint:

Huh

I think you missed my point.

And I didn't say anything about an enemy of Jesus Christ, I said an enemy of Calvinists. And if you say that people on this site don't consider us
(IFB non-calvinists) enemies, then you are lying to yourself.

Chill out!

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News Item1/24/08 6:46 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican | U.S.A.  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
"ifyouonly(really)knew": AGAIN,

I'm WITH Dr./Br. Ian R.K. Paisley (First Minister, MP MLA) On THIS ONE!

As A Former Political Candidate; I'm VERY Familiar With The "Bait&Switch" Techniques/Tactics That Go On In Pre-Arrainged Political/Social Meetings, Gatherings and Functions.

It was a TRAP; so as to Falsely Accuse Dr./Br. Paisley of Being A Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic Ecumenist!

Which He DEFINITELY & DIAMETRICALLY is NOT!

"I would like to state categorically that I consented to NO such service in Ballymena,"

"I was asked by the Scouts to attend a celebration of their movement. They also asked me to read the Scriptures and to pray and then say a few words."

"When I arrived at the service those arrangements were completely CHANGED. The (Satanic-Vaticanist) priest concerned maintained on Sunday Sequence that I had agreed to taking part with him in the service."

"This is TOTALLY UNTRUE. I was NEVER officially TOLD that the service order had been CHANGED and I would NOT have agreed to take part in an ecumenical service."

"I was quite happy to speak to the Scouts and also to stand with them when they took their pledge of allegiance to the Queen."

It Basically Boils Down To 2 Things:

1.You BELIEVE Ian Paisley
2.You DISBELIEVE Ian Paisley

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News Item1/24/08 6:43 PM
john joseph brown | lisburn norther ireland  Find all comments by john joseph brown
Antivatican..called worse by better
what i am saying is as soon as the priest prays he walks, simple?
listen to kate browns testimony on this site she went through (and ive heard her testimony in person )very few of us would,could or have had to go through ,what did this lady do got up and "walked" away from her family and was in constant fear, and how told her to do this??????? thats right Dr Paisley.he might as well slapped her in the face
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News Item1/24/08 6:36 PM
a chosen elect saint  Find all comments by a chosen elect saint
derek wrote:
Big deal. Ian Paisley also preached for Clarence Sexton at Crown College in Powell, TN. And Temple Baptist is a non-calvinist college, to which many on this site would count as a IFB enemy.
If he would preach for the enemy IFB, why not make a speech with enemy Rome?
derek: You know not what spirit ye speak of/from; for it definitely is Not The Holy Spirit of The True & Living God!

Since when are non-(hyper)calvinist colleges & schools the enemies of The Lord Jesus Christ?

Since when is Br./Dr. Clarence Sexton an enemy of The Lord Jesus Christ?

Since when is Br./Dr. Ian Paisley an enemy of The Lord Jesus Christ and/or an enemy of Clarence Sexton?

Since when are IFB (Independent Fundamental Baptists) the enemies of The Lord Jesus Christ?

Nay, in all these vain janglings you, derek, sin against Almighty God, The Lord Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit; not to mention against The Bride and Body of Christ: which is His True Church!

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News Item1/24/08 6:31 PM
ifyouonlyknew  Find all comments by ifyouonlyknew
This is a note particularly to the 'AntiVaticanistAmerica' and whoever else.

Your question was - 'Do you believe Ian Paisley or not?' and your retort was 'I believe Ian Paisley'

I'm not sure how much you know of the situation in Northern Ireland over the past 2 years, 20 years for that matter.

However, about a year ago now, many people 'believed' Ian Paisley. Not only did they 'believe', many followed his every move. With the result that he deceived many of his 'followers' into an alliance with the very people he said he said to 'smash' and many other adjectives and descriptions which are not becoming to this post.

Yes, your belief in this man does have precedent in many hundreds of people in Northern Ireland, the only difference is, those same hundreds who 'believed' now question his actions, to extent of doubt and even disgust.

As a consequence, whether this was or was not an ecumenical service, or whether plans changed, or did not, there is definitive precedent to suggest that his rationale and ideaologies have changed subjectively and are now being openly viewed objectively in both the political and religious contexts.

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News Item1/24/08 6:07 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican | U.S.A.  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
Again:

I'm With Dr./Br. Ian R.K. Paisley (First Minister, MP MLA) On This One!

As A Former Political Candidate; I'm Very Familiar With The "Bait & Switch" Techniques/Tactics That Go On In Pre-Arrainged Political/Social Meetings, Gatherings and Functions.

It was a Trap; so as to Falsely Accuse Dr./Br. Paisley of Being A Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic Ecumenist!

Which He Definitely & Diametrically is Not!

"I would like to state categorically that I consented to no such service in Ballymena,"

"I was asked by the Scouts to attend a celebration of their movement. They also asked me to read the Scriptures and to pray and then say a few words."

"When I arrived at the service those arrangements were completely changed. The (Satanic-Vaticanist) priest concerned maintained on Sunday Sequence that I had agreed to taking part with him in the service."

"This is totally untrue. I was never officially told that the service order had been changed and I would not have agreed to take part in an ecumenical service."

"I was quite happy to speak to the Scouts and also to stand with them when they took their pledge of allegiance to the Queen."

It Basically Boils Down To 2 Things:

1.You BELIEVE Ian Paisley
2.You DISBELIEVE Ian Paisley

I BELIEVE BIG IAN !

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News Item1/24/08 5:53 PM
derek | Missouri  Find all comments by derek
Big deal. Ian Paisley also preached for Clarence Sexton at Crown College in Powell, TN. And Temple Baptist is a non-calvinist college, to which many on this site would count as a IFB enemy.
If he would preach for the enemy IFB, why not make a speech with enemy Rome?
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