Lurker wrote:
So why do you keep trying to slide a loaded question through? Isn't the truth sufficient to stand on its own merit

Your answer must be #1. *God was right* when HE ordained the Covenant of Grace to be "everlasting." And of course it is. Christ Jesus is the Mediator of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace. He was in Abraham's day and always has been.

As for the "land" - Where do the Jews live today?

Incidentally the word "Unilateral" is very important to the Covenant. The unilateral nature of the Covenant is highlighted in Genesis 15:17. Thus man's "responsibilities" in the Covenant cannot break the Covenant, and never did. The 'elect' have always been in Covenant, Christ has always been the Mediator of the Covenant - And yes it has always been everlasting.

"the truth (IS) sufficient to stand on its own merit"

Lurker wrote:
Zech 11:10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people

God declares in Scripture that the Abrahamic Covenant is everlasting.

John UK wrote:
The new covenant made the old obsolete and finished

You are avoiding the question like the plague you and the other commentators on here. Whilst Lurker come up with some vague and obscure connections and others make fun of the whole thing. What we are left with is that "everlasting" and "seed" meant one thing to Abraham and the paedobaptists - But another completely different definition to you guys. Did Abraham think that "seed" was NOT directed at his future generations?

Everlasting is always and forever whether you read it in the Hebrew or the English.
You folks cannot accept that.
Thus you must be convinced that when God wrote (inspirationally) the terms "everlasting" and "seed" - You must consider that He was not viewing the future as it has actually played out but in an alternative way not justifying "Everlasting" or "seed"

If that is your interpretation then God, as they say, was being economic with the truth.

John UK wrote:
And to ask if I thought that God was lying is most offensive and derogatory. You should be ashamed of yourself

So all I was doing John is asking you if since you apply the thinking - "I don't believe this bit of Scripture" - how do you believe anything to be factual and truth if you eject these two important terms in the way you have to establish your Tradition!!

Three times God promises to Abraham an "everlasting Covenant" But you guys are contradicting God at this point - saying that God was wrong or deceived Abraham and his seed - Not to mention all who read the Bible since???