John Yurich USA wrote:
Obama has... attended ..
is Baptized

Tutka was working as a substitute teacher 10,12,2013, when he ran afoul of school bullies. He told a straggling student at the end of a line, "The first shall be last and the last shall be first."

The student asked on a number of occasions where the line was from, and Tutka told him it was from the Bible. When he discovered the child did not have a Bible, Tutka gave him his personal copy.

“The Jews, apostles and primitive church used immersion” Universal Lexicon Hoffman 1698

“Baptisma, originally designated immersion in water to make clean” Stockii Clavis 1725

“Baptisma properly and from its origin it denotes a washing which is performed by immersion” Lexicon of NT 1728 P Mintert

“The Jews dipped themselves entirely under the water, and this is the most simple notion of the word baptize” Biblical Dictionary 1729 Calmet

“The usual way of performing the ceremony was by immersion” Encyclopaedia Britannica Art Baptism 1853

“Baptize in water, immersing” – NT Grammar, Winer 1860

“It is however, indisputable that in the primitive church the ordinary mode of baptism was by immersion” Chamber’s Encyclopaedia Art Baptism 1860

“Baptizo, to dip in or under water” Greek Dictionary 1861 Liddell and Scott

Mike wrote:
It will be interesting to see explanation of how Paul might have been converted 3 days before he was converted, or barring that, that he received no grace 3 days prior to his conversion.

It would have been "Converting Grace."

Why do you insist God must do something to prepare for His work/operation? Is He limited in what He can do in His creation?

Or are you really trying to justify the Arminian theory?

Mike wrote:
Your view appears to make faith a work, which it isn't. Then from this erroneous start, conclude it must be the gift of God in Eph 2:8, because the gift is not of works. But faith is not a work in the first place. Again the contrast is between salvation by grace, and salvation by works.

When you remove faith from its divine providential source (a gift) - Then you imply only one other source ie man - thus making it a human effort, or human work!

Eph 2:9 teaches human effort does not work!
This in opposition to V8 which in turn reveals only ONE possible ability which could be construed as mortal - namely 'faith.'

Consequently salvation (the word v8 "save") very obviously cannot be interpreted as human, because only God can save.

Thus "FAITH" is the gift of God unto salvation.

Mike wrote:
Jake, that's like saying if Jake tosses one end of a rope to a drowning man, and the man grabs hold of it, that he must therefore be saving himself.

"drowning man"?
Nope - "Dead" in sin!

"man grabs hold"?
Nope - Spiritual discernment is not available to natural man.

Guinness wrote:
A sadly expected news story.
What is most insidious is the pretense at religious liberty:-
"Homosexual couples should be able to register civil partnerships in churches which WISH to hold them, according to the Prime Minister."

Therefore SOME verses and precepts can be deleted.

Thus the pestilence of Liberalism, like the leaven, is leavening the whole lump of the UK. Theologians in the Ch. of England will advise political thinking both by their witness and by their teachings.

In that respect Westminster and the hoi polloi are being taught heresy by the church - and Cameron, plus the Conservative party, are misled into Liberal theology without them questioning the facts. Satan's Liberal church is accepted by the reprobates - including their heresies.

Mioke wrote:
If you want to celebrate the Earth's birthday, read Genesis.