Ladybug, I think you need to start acting like a Christian woman and stop telling men what to think and do. Your anger and bitterness is pouring forth as rivers of vitriol, it makes one sick. Meekness, tenderness and quietness are in order dear lady.
Watchmanrem wrote: I hope i am not included in this.. If other then it to them... Hope you will stay and just say what you BELIEVE and leave to The Holy Spirit...
My problem is no one is willing to accept other opinions. I offer opinions based on my experience and research, and it goes over like a grave insult. Between the ranks here on SA, I feel like I have never belonged and once in a blue moon come back for some conversation and it always ends the same. LB was completely out of line with her assumptions and conclusions, putting words in my mouth and accusing me of accusing her of things I never even thought. There is a serious lack of love and patience on this forum and that stinks.
Absolutely right, Dave. Submission is too easy. Christians have rights don't you know? Instead of the Bible, stand on the ol' Constitution and see where that lands you all on Judgment Day. Idiots indeed!
Dave wrote: Exactly, social justice warriors, the it's not fair snow flakes of the Christian world. Hatched for years, I have read the bible, and yes that which God had decreed is hatched years ago. At what point do you stop raging against the will of God? Hooroo
HerbalMama wrote: Jim, you mean like choke slamming a woman to the ground for having a medical condition that prevents her from wearing one? Or arresting a pregnant woman in her pajamas in front of her young children for planning a peaceful protest via her facebook? Watcher, I can't apologize for others but I do hope you didn't take my comment as condescending. My experience has been quite different from yours and I definitely disagree with your mask beliefs but, like, you said, that's my constitutional right. Likewise, I grant you the grace to express and follow your constitutional rights.
Thank you for your grace, HM. My belief is that I am not under the constitution as a Christian, and I don't think we as the church should be using it to state our case. We are pilgrims in this world and have a home that is not of this earth. There's too much in the way of the church demanding its rights. This reminds me of the church of Laodecia in Revelations. "The church of my rights".
Well, I guess the lot of you are far more intelligent than I am, so I will be cautious and wear the mask, use hand sanitizer, wash down my groceries, etc., and seeing as everyone here is so smart, go ahead and live as normal.
I really think everyone here needs a huge lesson in humility and love. Everytime I come on this forum to express an opinion, I get roasted. It's time I shook off the dust and moved on. Thank Ladybug for making me feel so much at home. Your gentleness and meekness will draw many to the cross.
Ladybug wrote: As I stated, arguments stem from attacking a person, watcher just proved this to be accurate and true. According to him, I kill people because I don't wear a mask and I am not a Christian either...se how fast this escalated downhill?
Wow...I'm shocked and disheartened over how you have drawn this offline and blown it all out of proportion. I do think LB you need to calm down and start asking like a Christian lady rather than a snappy angry woman of the world. The truth hurts, and you need it right now.
Ladybug wrote: "Nonetheless, exercise your constitutional rights and freedoms and get sick. Infect those around you and watch them die. That is after all, your right."- how condescending of you. Rather than admit your hypocritical error concerning who suggested no masks for ebola or insulation blowing, you use subtlety to get your view, which apparently is the only correct one, across. Hypocrisy knows no limit. Btw, I am not familiar with your beliefs so please refrain from calling me your sister
I have defended you in the past on more than one occasion, but I can see now, that my defense was in vain. I am a Christian, saved by the grace of God. Apparently you're not? Sorry for making the assumption. I will be quiet now as it seems once someone's ego has been attacked, no amount of love or patience will help.
Please don't get upset dear sister. I never accused you or anyone else of anything. I used the illustrations as comparisons.
My mask is rated at N99 and it quite tight and well-fitting. Nonetheless, exercise your constitutional rights and freedoms and get sick. Infect those around you and watch them die. That is after all, your right.
HerbalMama wrote: Watcher, interesting. My experience has been quite different. Those that don't wear one are avoided or shamed.
I'm constantly looked upon as a walking virus in my area. It's sad but funny to watch people use purses, gloves, books, and everything else to "protect" themselves.
This mentality that a healthy person doesn't need to wear a mask is ludicrous. It's like saying you can walk through a village in Africa that has been ravaged by Ebola without a mask because you're healthy. You can blow insulation into your attic without wearing a mask because you're healthy. Nurses don't need a mask to treat a flu patient as long as they're healthy.
Doesn't wash and is only an indication of social conditioning.
Me and my family wear masks and are quite happy to have them. When I'm in a store getting groceries, I will watch people walk past and cover their faces when they pass me. Some will go so far as to stop breathing and close their eyes. Why do they do this? Firstly, they think anyone who's wearing a mask is infected, and secondly, it's instinct to cover your face if you think you've encountered a contagion. Yet, these same people won't wear the mask because they've been told it won't work.
I have no words. People are parrots and sheep and will die before using their God-given common sense.
Dr. Tim wrote: Romans 7:24-25 24¬†¬†¬†O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25¬†¬†¬†I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
That we are. All of us are in the same boat. If it were not for God's mercy and grace. Let's treat each other with the same love, patience and tenderness that God gave to us, and I think we'll all be more united than ever.
We all have a problem with this especially when our egos get their noses out of joint. Instead of responding in love and patience, we snapback and stab each other because we're hurt. It's wrong and spawned in hell.
Remember that God forgave us of far more than we are required to forgive others of, be patient and understanding, and if it gets too hot in the kitchen, get out of there!
"Out of 100 men, one will read the Bible; the other 99 will read the Christian."
Imagine what the world thinks with so much fighting, contention, and bitterness between so-called saints? What's going to happen when we finally enter heaven? I think heaven will be a lot emptier than we are prepared to admit.
Way to go JMac. That'll show 'em! This folks is precisely NOT how a Christian leader is supposed to act. Jesus commanded us to have church indeed. Have church! Fine! Just have it online or outside. Simple.
Now, this is what we refer to as persecution. Persecution in the West amounts to having to put on a mask and social distance. Oh I know, your constitutional rights are being trampled on and you want to go to church to chew the fat, eh, I mean...sing and hear a pastor speak.
People in North America don't have any clue as to what true persecution is... at least not yet. Maybe spend some time and pray for those who are being persecuted, instead of feeling sorry for yourselves.
ute1 wrote: Watcher: Your love is underwhelming. You put a poor construction on my words. I was open to conversation, but you want to shut it down. Who is stomping a foot? Who is disobedient? Who is meek? Who is humble?
I tend to change the channel when I come up against the brick wall of ignorance and pride. Please take it as you want. You and a host of others think it's okay for a Christian to tell the gov't what to do, and a few of those like me believe that Romans 13 needs to be adhered to.
You are stomping the foot in childish bull-headedness, and I am humbly trying to be obedient and submissive to bring Jesus Christ the glory He deserves. Sharpen your pitchforks or accept my opinion with love and understanding, it's your call. Have a good night.
I don't have enough room here to answer everything adequately, and I don't wish for this to carry on any further. I appreciated QC's response in humility and love, and I wish there was more of this in the church. Nonetheless, let's leave this up to our conscience's sake and you continue to stomp your foot in disobedience and I'll submit in meekness and humility and we'll see where it leads us.
May God be glorified in this and I hope and pray that at the end of this pandemic, the church shines bright as a loving and Christ-like witness and not as a bull-headed child.
Romans 13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
I see no loopholes or backdoors here. I see a point-blank commandment to follow. Verse 5 says it all: you must be subject not only because of avoiding the wrath of God but also for your conscience's sake. I see no "ands, ifs or buts" here. If we start interpreting the Bible according to what WE think it should be saying, we run into trouble and will be judged accordingly.