Oops, cut and pasted the wrong message. Quietâ€”That is the crux of the problem. Too many Christians are looking at the world through the lens of humanism instead of the Bible. They are Scripturally illiterate and have more interest in understanding the world than God.
Well, Iâ€™ve heard it tastes like pork. As far as Scripture, does it say â€śthou shalt not eat?â€ť I mean, wasnâ€™t â€śwaste not want notâ€ť somewhere in there? Think about it: If you donâ€™t shed their blood to get it, it might be ok.... Just saying.
I hate to sidestep from what, I am certain, would be another interesting dive into this moron from Hillsongâ€™s lifeâ€”but let me ask you a question, Amish... no instruments in worship, but you have a computer/cellphone for SermonAudio?
He is no different from the guy last week, (probably jealous and wanted to join the bandwagon,) and no different than Gay Boltzâ€”or was it Ray?â€”possibly saved, (probably not, but possibly,) and caught up in the postmodern sin fantasy that every other big name person grabs ahold of when pleasing their flesh is more important than pleasing God.
Case in point would be â€śFor Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonicaâ€¦â€ť (II Timothy 4:10) In this passage, written in AD 66, we see that Demas is being lamented as having Departed from Service. We do not know the exact circumstances of his departure, but the strong wording by Paul, as he considered it a forsaking, leads one to believe it wasnâ€™t a pleasant departure. He was fruitful, but became unfruitful.
â€śAnd some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked themâ€¦â€ť (Matthew 13:7) (And the explanation,) â€śHe also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.â€ť
Lurker: Respectfully â€”The key to the passage that tells us the spiritual condition of the named is found in v4 "...and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost..." (Hebrews 6:4) to partake means to receive a share of. Lost people don't get a piece of the Holy Ghost. You must consider the context of the passage, which begins in Hebrews 5:12- it is discussing those who did not mature, and the leaders if the church, former Hebrews, who are used to the sacrifice, could not wrap their head around the fact that One time sacrifice was good enough, so were preaching salvation again to those who fell into sin, in lieu of making them get right. He was telling them it was impossible for someone who is saved and worldly to get re-saved. They just need to get right.
And the first thing I think of is when my 11 year old sister was made to break up with her â€śboyfriendâ€ť and she yelled, â€śI hate youâ€ť at my father. I saw the same thing a few years ago when a lady lost her child and got mad at God, and said â€śI hate youâ€ť My sister was still my parents child, despite the redundant behaviorâ€”just like this grieved woman who did not rest in the Lord but lashed out in her emotions was still a child of God. It could be the same situationâ€”just in lieu of emotions it was chosen sin that caused the rift. Againâ€”we donâ€™t know his heart. Iâ€™m just making the suggestion that he could have been saved and now heâ€™s running from God. For that, there is still a penaltyâ€”just not hell. Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
I understand the point: everyone wants to fact-check someone elseâ€™s Salvation. My point is simply that he may be saved. Saved people have flesh. Saved people can harden their hearts and turn to sin. Saved people can do anything that a lost person can do. Look at the example in 1 Corinthiansâ€”a young Man sexually engaged with his stepmother. Was he saved? Yes, but he was still in the sin, and to top it off, the Church wasnâ€™t even responding the correct way until admonished by Paul. Thatâ€™s the problem with most Christians nowadaysâ€”they are stuck in a Hebrews 5 mentality. Instead of going into sin and (when you confess and forsake it) moving back to God, they want to excuse it by saying, â€śOh, I must not have really been saved! Oops. Thatâ€™s why I committed X, Y, or Z.â€ť They want to blame the devil, when in reality they had the Holy Spirit of God right there telling them no and they ignored itâ€”grieving and quenching the spiritâ€”as they jogged off headfirst into sin. I donâ€™t know if this yahoo was saved or notâ€”neither do you. But I wouldnâ€™t just write it off like he wasnâ€™t. I would take it as a tremendous warning for us to not allow the flesh that much leeway in our lives, lest we fall as well.