But if that's your requirement for proof, that I have to have first-hand knowledge in order to discuss this subject, we may as well end this now because I wasn't there and I just rely on people I trust to give me information.

I do believe my KJB to be perfect, without error, and I believe the words of Jesus that said His Word would stand forever. I do believe God was able and willing to give me a Bible I can believe and trust in my own language, English. If you don't believe that, I think you're underestimating God a lot and if the KJB Bible doesn't hit you as God's Word, then what can I say?

Actually, MurrayA, Psalm 12:6,7 talks about purifying God's Word seven times in a furnace of earth, that God's Word is "very pure."

It's one thing to have pure gold with a bit of dross in it that needs to be burned away, and another thing entirely to have fool's gold, a complete fake.

MurrayA, you are the one who hasn't responded to the points I've brought up and still haven't given a convincing argument why a few Pilgrims across the ocean should be able to hold up the King James Bible. People were free to use whatever Bible they wanted, and the fact is that people took to the KJB like ducks to water.

But my main points which you have just ignored are:

1. Psalm 12:6,7

2. Jesus words about His Word never passing away.

3. That God promised to preserve His Word, God's Word is higher than everything else. God is able to give us a Bible we can believe and trust that is error free.

4. All the Bibles that came before the KJB were perfect, but less perfect than the KJB, in that they were accurate translations from the true manuscripts.

5. The Bishops Bible was a compilation of the other Bibles also.

Psalm 12:6,7 is not rhetoric or bile or "standard King James rhetoric."

Nor are the words of Jesus when he said His Word would never pass away.

And if you want to get into the weeds, the fact is your NASB is a poor translation from corrupt manuscripts that were mangled and manhandled by Origin and other Platonian heretics, straight from the RCs to you, Mr. Murray.

So you are deceived and deceiving, using your position and your academic credentials as a cover.

But the Word of God is sharper than a two-edged sword, and you can't fight against it. God's Word stands on its own, and has a power all its own, which your paraphrases from your corrupt manuscripts do not have.

You and JD like to blow a lot of smoke at each other, and pose and posture back and forth. Most people wouldn't bother with such a chameleon and heretic as he, but you have found your soulmate to post with.

And if the King James Bible was an Anglican Bible for Anglicans as you say, then the Geneva Bible was a Calvinist Bible for Calvinists.

But in fact, the King James Bible incorporated all the Bibles that came before it. Most of Tyndale's work was taken intact into it.

The translators, 54 of them, were linguistic geniuses, and holy men of God, assembled by God "for such a time as this."

And let us not forget that Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass from his Word, that Heaven and earth would pass away but that His Word would never pass away.

And let us also not forget that it is God's job to preserve His Word, just as it is God's job to speak His Word.

And God has promised to do that.

From the beginning the people knew what was scripture and what wasn't.

And so did God. He didn't need anybody to cannonize it for Him. The cannonizing was just rubber stamping what was already obvious to everybody.

One of the tests of canon is, did the people read it and believe it?

So the people coudl recognize the Bible when they saw it, and that's why they rejected Jerome's vulgate. They were not fooled by the phony title, borrowed (stolen) from the real vulgate, common Bible of the people.

There were several translations into other languages right in the first century. The Word of God spread like wildfire as we read in Acts. These manuscripts were copied, translated, and copied again.

The RCs, if anything, stamped out the spread of God's Word. They tried to blow up Parliament to stop the King James Bible from going forth.

This is just false. The Bible manuscripts existed long before the RCC came along. Rather than preserving and maintaining them as Wade G says, the Catholics hunted down the Christians, killed them and burned their manuscripts. The Bible was kept from the people by the Catholics. The war over the Bible went on until 1600s, over the martyred bodies of Tyndale and others who fought to bring the Bible to the English speaking people.

God preserved His Word, not the RCC. It's true Erasmus was a Catholic monk, but he was a mole, planted by God for "such a time as this." Erasmus preserved the true New Testament Received Text, snuck it past the nose of the Pope by writing a flowery intro of praise to the Pope.

Erasmus' Textus Receptus is the text used for the true Bible, the KJB. Erasmus' Text was never used by the Catholics. Rather, Jerome's phony "vulgate" was used, a mistranslation from Origen's already-mangled manuscript Vaticanus.

Read Sam Gipp online
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His Answer Book is online