B. McCausland wrote:
Judges' lawless conduct... tolerated anarchy

[URL=http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest297.htm]]]Romans 13 vs uncritical & unbiblical thinking [/URL]
God does not require submission to governments that have left their God-honoring moorings and have turned evil into good and good into evil.

For governments to operate as God’s ministers, to be identified as God-ordained they must function as they were designed to function and when they do not they have shown they are not entitled to submission.

Therefore God did not establish Hitler, the German people did that.

To say that God-ordains covenant breakers, liars, murderers, and all forms of evil perpetrated by governments is to make God unworthy to judge the world.

If man’s laws are evil and ordained by God how do you reconcile God’s holy nature with unholy authority?

If government is truly a minister of God they will act like a minister of God.

Therefore friends the prevailing interpretation of Romans 13 is clearly wrong based on a study of the text. Tyrants love it when Christians resign themselves to supporting evil conduct. Don’t be deceived folks.

Genesis 4:8-12 In this passage, Scripture records the first murder wherein Cain killed Abel. That Cain must have used some sort of weapon to kill Abel is evidenced by the fact that Abel was bleeding (he was not strangled). Notice how God responded to the killing. He did not institute some sort of weapon-control, rather, He punished the one who committed the crime.

Exodus 20 and following In His holy Law, which God decreed at Sinai, nowhere do you see God outlawing weapons in regards to the various crimes which He prohibited in His legislation. He always punishes the perpetrator. He never disarms the citizenry.

Exodus 22:2 In this verse, God declares that if someone breaks into your house at night and you kill him, you are not guilty of murder. This verse makes clear that you have a God-given right to defend yourself and to defend your family.

Mike wrote:
"... teach people how dangerous it is to carry blades."
Who listens to this rubbish? Men without chests?

1. The Bible 2. Montesquieu 3. Sir William Blackstone 4. John Locke
... take Jesus literally when he COMMANDED His disciples to buy a sword even if it meant selling one’s clothes in order to afford it. (Luke 22:36) If that doesn’t make the right and duty to keep and bear arms a divine mandate, I don’t know what does.
And remember, too, that the sword Jesus told His disciples to buy was the same sword that the Apostle Paul said that civil government bore in Romans 13. Jesus was not talking about a pocketknife, folks. He was talking about the most sophisticated, efficient self-defense tool known to man at the time: the Roman SWORD
. “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel”? (I Timothy 5:8

Lurker wrote:
"Left Arm" who says

... take Jesus literally when he COMMANDED His disciples to buy a sword even if it meant selling one’s clothes in order to afford it. (Luke 22:36) If that doesn’t make the right and duty to keep and bear arms a divine mandate, I don’t know what does.

And remember, too, that the sword Jesus told His disciples to buy was the same sword that the Apostle Paul said that civil government bore in Romans 13. Jesus was not talking about a pocketknife, folks. He was talking about the most sophisticated, efficient self-defense tool known to man at the time: the Roman sword. For us in modern times that would be the equivalent of an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the gift of liberty (in all of its forms) is as spiritual and godly as the gift of physical life or the gift of spiritual salvation. “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel”? (I Timothy 5:8

cf : Pastor Baldwin's column.

Lurker wrote:
acknowledging your right

1. The Bible
2. Montesquieu
3. Sir William Blackstone
4. John Locke
... take Jesus literally when he COMMANDED

As do:
Joey Faust:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=4120704156

Jesus calls them fools who do not believe that God is able to literally fulfill His promises.

Pastor Baldwin
http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/1100/This-Pastor-Proves-My-Point.aspx

Lurker wrote:
My questions

Are professing Christians who don't buy, own and carry a weapon committing a sin?

Lots of the Lord's clear commands have a history of being ignored by the church.

I also answered your question "
Are professing Christians who don't buy, own and carry a weapon (AR 15) committing a sin? "
with

“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel”? I Timothy 5:8

Provide for the common defense...

Lurker wrote:
perverting God's holy word

1. The Bible
2. Montesquieu
3. Sir William Blackstone
4. John Locke

... take Jesus literally when he COMMANDED His disciples to buy a sword even if it meant selling one’s clothes in order to afford it. (Luke 22:36) If that doesn’t make the right and duty to keep and bear arms a divine mandate, I don’t know what does.

And remember, too, that the sword Jesus told His disciples to buy was the same sword that the Apostle Paul said that civil government bore in Romans 13. Jesus was not talking about a pocketknife, folks. He was talking about the most sophisticated, efficient self-defense tool known to man at the time: the Roman sword. For us in modern times that would be the equivalent of an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the gift of liberty (in all of its forms) is as spiritual and godly as the gift of physical life or the gift of spiritual salvation.
“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel”? (I Timothy 5:8

Lurker wrote:
the right to bear arms

[URL=http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/1200/The-War-Against-Our-Natural-Right-Of-Self-Defense-Continues.aspx]]]War Against Our Natural Right Of Self-Defense[/URL]

Proponents of the Nanny State have been trying to take away man’s Natural right of self-defense ever since the United Nations was created back in 1945. Of course, the Natural right of self-defense is totally unknown in communist and socialist countries; and big-government toadies in several so-called “democratic” countries have also succeeded in turning citizens into subjects by removing or severely restricting the Natural right of self-defense. Obviously, I’m talking about countries such as Great Britain, France, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, and Canada.

A state that does not allow a man to be personally armed in his day-to-day activities is literally stripping him of his right of self-defense.

Note the constitution does not GIVE that right:it only acknowledges it.

John UK wrote:
"everybody should carry"

him

sell

his

garment,
and buy one"

tells each disciple to arm themself.

IS what Jesus is saying here:

to only cite
Luke 22:38
And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
IS to miss the full context.

as I said earlier:
7/14/15 4:05 PM

Now as to carrying constantly...
Looks like only about 1/6th need to be carrying at a public supper to be protected adequately,given the Lord's response.v38

Now, one can be offended at taking a partial quote from a sinful human,
and making a point with it out of context,
OR

One may make the point that the Lord Jesus Christ's quotes need to be refered to in full context.

I guess the fact that we can look at the original post for context is similar to saying you can open the Bible to read the full context.

little finger wrote:
everybody should carry

[URL=http://www.safetysolutionsacademy.com/best-concealed-carry-handgun-for-women/]]]Best Concealed Carry Handgun for Women[/URL]

Efficiency is where the modern semi automatics, especially the modern striker fired pistol really start to pull away. ..... When you are running a gun in a life or death situation we must understand that the three aspects I just mentioned, time, complexity and dexterity play a huge role in your success or failure.

2.
Lk 22:35-26 "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one"
tells each disciple to arm themself.
Now as to carrying constantly...

Looks like only about 1/6th need to be carrying at a public supper to be protected adequately,given the Lord's response.v38

GOVERNMENT GENOCIDE CAMPAIGNS AND THE
"GUN CONTROL" LAWS THAT HELPED SLAUGHTER 56 MILLION PEOPLE
documented at link provided below
vs
your Sandy Hook (where no one was armed to save the kids...)

carl h wrote:
Guns

Down through history, governments have disarmed their citizens only to tyrannize those citizens once they were disarmed.

The above chart documents just a few examples from recent history where "gun control" laws were enacted and then tyranny by the government proceeded.

The authors have demonstrated that every nation in the twentieth century which has perpetrated genocide has chosen a victim population which was disarmed. If the intended victims were not already "gun-free," then the murderous governments first got rid of the guns before they attempted to begin the killing.