Watcher wrote: I am erring on the side of caution. Do you understand now? I take the numbers in China and other countries as an indicator that something is going on. Therefore, because something is going on, I will take precautions to protect myself and my family until the world is a safer place.
I personally have no issue with you wanting to protect your family and using caution. Nor do not think that there is any doubt that there is "something going on."
My point of even saying something is that your post seemed to trust in the accuracy of the information from China regarding "what is going on" as opposed to the sources which refute them. So yes, you have made it clear and I do understand that you trust information given by the Chinese government over people who have lived and operated under their regime. Otherwise you would not make statements like "There's a reason why a population of 300 million has far more cases than a population of over 1 billion."
But then you confuse the matter more by saying "I don't trust any government to tell me the truth." Seems your contradicting yourself to me.
Watcher wrote: You can no more prove my info is wrong any more than you can prove your info is correct. I do not share your confidence in what you've read and embraced. That's the difference. I don't trust any government to tell me the truth, therefore I act according to my own conscience and according to the law of the land. The point of this article is, remember, churchgoers disobeying the government God put in place. Call it what you want. It's still disobedience, and if you disobey God's ordained government you might as well be disobeying God.
Just so I'm understanding you correctly, You trust what China is sharing regarding their numbers they are reporting on testing and deaths as a result of the virus. Correct? I base this question off of your post a few hours earlier which you said...
"Look at Wuhan. They went overboard and welded people into their homes. This seemed horrible when we first watched it, but look at the numbers. They are under 100K and the States are well on their way to 9 million. One country slammed the doors shut and the other laughs in derision."
Unless you flew over there yourself and executed a thorough examination upon the scene for yourself, you are taking someones word at face value aka trusting it to be true.
Watcher wrote: Prove to me that they are lying. That's my point. Most of you here are relying on Facebook posts and other questionable information for your confidence. I am not relying on anything but common sense and I don't have enough confidence to act like it doesn't exist.
Sure it exists Watcher and If your placing trust in China's info they have provided, then I have a bridge to sell you in California. There's been plenty of valid sourced material that has given a different pic than what we are told and its been like that from the start. I believe there was a poster here on the board named youth in Asia who gave testimony to that very point. There was a scientist who was in the very lab who has spoken up by interviews and that's just a few off the top of my head. Yes its real but look to the example in Sweeden. Why have they done things so differently yet the results are the same if not better?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Why, John, everyone knows the Vulgate Bible is the only true Bible‚Ěó
Not a chance Jim.
Erasmus corrected the corrupted Latin Vulgate by his own fresh rendering of the text from the more accurate and reliable Greek which had come from the manuscripts that escaped from Constantinople in 1453 of which he had six to work from.
All were the work of scribes in Constantinople from copies of what had been housed there from the time of Eusebius of Caesarea in the 4th century.
Eusebius was the benefactor of receiving from Origen his private library which Origin had given to the Christian community in Constantinople.
Origin was the greatest textual critic of the early Church, directing the production of the massive Hexapla ("Sixfold"), an Old Testament in six columns: Hebrew, Hebrew in Greek characters, the Septuagint, and the Greek versions of Theodotion, Aquila of Sinope, and Symmachus. This was an immense and complex word-for-word comparison of the Greek Septuagint with the original Hebrew Scriptures and with those other Greek translations.
Watcher wrote: It IS a social justice issue, James. Can you in all honesty say that speaking out against the agenda of the LGBTQ group is proclaiming the Gospel? If you think that this woman should be included in Foxe's Book of Martyrs, then you don't know what the Gospel truly is.
I'm not making that claim your suggesting.
What I do see is someone making an attempt to protect their child from garbage. That's it. Even non Christians are capable of that.
What baffles me is that some are more focused on how she should have handled the situation more so than her concern on the big issue at hand and that being the compulsory sex education being forced on her 9-year-old son at a Church of England primary school.
Watcher wrote: I hear you loud and clear. It's my opinion (not absolute truth!) that more progress will be made if we change society through our example and through proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ than through running for office and voting for charlatans like Trump or in my case Trudeau because they are the lesser of two evils.
Trump may be a charlatan, but Biden and crew has plans to alter the balance of our government beyond repair. Stacking the supreme court will eliminate the judicial counter balance it was intended to be paving the way for the socialistic ideals to flow which seek to dictate from cradle to grave every right and wrong to all by overturning or rewording the constitution to their liking. I don't find it hard to cast my vote for Trump because I do not want to see that happen. The constitution is not anything We Americans worship as a God but it is our agreement as a people that simply grants the freedom to worship God without input from our government. So perhaps instead of saying the lesser of two evils we should instead say I'm voting for the one who's not looking to destroy the country we are thankful for having, not the one who seeks to dismantle it. BTW, I believe Mr. Pence is not a charlatan.
John UK wrote: Good try, James. I thought that seeing as the Clintons are both hypocrites, making any sort of intelligent comment about the reasons for young people staying away from church, ought to be met with a John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious!"
Ha! I agree. The only part were missing from ole John is "the ball hit the line."
Mike wrote: I speculate it‚Äôs kind of a race. The leftists‚Äô institution of even more strict controls on one side, and the people waking out of their slumber on the other.
I'd say that's a fair assessment. From what's being reported, the exodus of business and family from NY is a real thing. The state coffers will be lessened not by smidge, but a gap that I'm sure they are ill prepared to deal with and the economy will crumble as a result of their acrions, while the rest of the USA thrives through reestablishing business and family lives. The same is going on in the peoples republic of California. The people are sick of the socialistic ruling oligarchs and looking to jump off the sinking ship.
I heard that 50% of the restaurant business will be out of business by 2021 in NYC. I can't imagine other sectors will fair any better. Perhaps this will open eyes to reality and will end that democratic corruption that's been gone on for too long.