Mike wrote: You mean labels like: demented mindset haughty appalling liar your holy ego heretic Arminian absurd comment no clue immaturity There's enough of it to go around. That's plain enough.
Where Iâve used any term, it has not been as a pejorative but as descriptive. Take as an example John UKâs claim that those who argue that Christ did not die for every single individual and therefore does not love every single individual must be a hyper calv. Thatâs a plain lie. He even knows as much because he can point to a successful soul winner like Dr Masters who believes exactly that and is no hyper calv. To my knowledge I havenât lumped together a group of people and attached pejorative labels to them.
Not every descriptive word is a label, but then again IFBs do generally struggle with language where all must always mean every single individual in the world.
Humbled wrote: Most of what has been posted on here day after day is nothing more than a feeding of the flesh. I, in times past partook in these endless debates thinking I was doing Godâs service for His Glory.Praise Him that he chastised this poor dumb sheep sorely, and showed me my sin.I kiss the hand that bore the rod. ** Stated nicely, US.
Is contending for truth âfeeding of the fleshâ?!
John UK wrote: Good morning brother, and I wish you a happy breakfast. Did you say you were making breakfast? I made a mistake earlier today, which you just reminded me of. I completely forgot to include "English Lad". Sorry, lad. But you also are included in my ignore list, and if I see your moniker I shall not be reading anything you have to say. It's a free country, you can continue posting if you wish, but I shall not be reading any of your posts. But don't forget, English Lad, God loves you and has a specific plan for your life. Why not just get on with it?
The heretic is getting bolder because his arminian cohorts come to his support. The day will reveal how little the Lord has blessed his labours despite his haughty claims to a superior spirituality; how little his false gospel has achieved. My guess is that he cannot even claim one convert for all his blathering all these years lying to people that God loves them and died for them specifically.
John UK wrote: From an excellent article by Dr Alan C Clifford on the Norwich Reformed Church website, entitled "Ryle on Redemption - The Gospel According to John Charles Ryle" Charenton Reformed Publishing First published in Great Britain 2013 All rights reserved ISBN 978-0-9555165-7-3 I like 'Bible-based'.
Quoting a known Amyraldian with approval. Error begets error and John UK revels in approving and spreading error.
John UK wrote: Are we now finished with the Billy Graham magazine "Decision"? Congratulations to all who took part in the debate, for your resilience, determination, fortitude, even subterfuge from some; but hey, that's par for the course in any online debate, there will always be a troll or three hanging around to upset people, or cause division, that's their raison d'etre, or some such French naughtiness. I've never seen so many strawmen built in one thread, it has to be a record. Ah well, it is all over now, and that is probably a good thing. But it teaches us to "redeem the time because the days are evil". Servants of Christ Jesus must only ever do what he tells them to do, and this is always my advice to all.
Now that youâve preened your not too immodest ego and self righteously condemned the behaviour of others do you feel better? You couldnât have a better start to the day than stand and pray out loud for all to hear:
Luke 18 11 God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Congratulations. Your prayer has been heard and your desired aim of an even larger ego granted.
John UK wrote: Particular redemption is a most wonderful thing to mine own mind. For it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ particularly redeeming me, John UK, and is the cause of much inner rejoicing and the peace of God, which passes all understanding.
If Christ died for every single individual including the lost, then he died particularly for the lost but wasn't able to redeem them by his death. Remind me again how his death redeemed you? Ah yes, you had the sense to trust his death but the lost didnât. So it was your faith that redeemed you and their unbelief that damned them. Well done you for being so bright.
Yes, weâre all feeling the Christian love from the holier than thou, watch me do wonders for Christ, broad minded tolerant crowd. Your commenta arenât ugly and venomous? I bet theyâre only so when someone else utters them. Hypocrite.
Hasnât Piper just described what i was referring to viz. a convert of Dr Tim versus a convert of Christ? Viz. Decisionism vs a true work of grace? The gospel of âself salvationâ vs the gospel of the grace of God in Christ? Easy believism versus True Faith wrought by the Holy Spirit?
Everyone hates God being sovereign and deciding everyoneâs destination as though we all deserve salvation. Weâre all lost sinners deserving nothing but judgement. The wonder is that God chooses any to save at all!
Carry on with your man made gospel of a feeble Christ who can only make salvation possible and now waits with anticipation to see if any will join him in heaven or whether he died in vain. And if youâve decided correctly, hurrah on you. Pity the poor fools who didnât have your brain power to work out what was good for them.
[AUTHOR]Dr Tim [/AUTHOR][QUOTE]Payday is coming[/QUOTE]Iâm sure youâll be able to show off all your good works on that day as you do here. We mere mortals stand in awe of people like you and John UK who can talk so much about all that you do for Christ and how only you two weep over those going to hell. No doubt you will have converts for your efforts. Will they be converts of Christ I wonder? Does that even matter?
Mike wrote: And Matthew 13:15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Oh dear, there goes free will out of the window again.
ââThe case stands thus: there was a promise of Christâs second coming, to judge the world, delivered out; it was expected that this would have been very quickly, whereas it has been a long time deferred. Hence scoffers shall arise in the last days, charging the Lord with slackness and dilatoriness concerning his promise, though he is not slack with respect to it, but is long-suffering towards his elect, waiting till their number is completed in effectual vocation, and for their sakes bears with all the idolatry, superstition, and profaneness that are in the world; but when the last man that belongs to that number is called, he will stay no longer, but descend in flames of fire, take his own elect to himself, and burn up the world and the wicked in it.â John Gill
Spurgeon once said, âThe time will come when instead of the Shepherds feeding the sheep, the church will have clowns entertaining the goatsâ.
Looks like that time is upon us.
Since there are more goats then sheep in the churches of today thanks to the new gospel that the likes of John UK preach and since they have no spiritual tastes, to keep them in the churches they have to be entertained.
John UK canât make a positive case from scripture for his view so like any good heretic he refers to the erroneous views of men accepted as sound in the faith by those who know no better. The craft of the devil himself.
Mike wrote: Grant you that, ladybug. It does seem odd, but only if we start from the premise that Jerusalem's destiny was destruction, and that the Lord forces people into the kingdom. Their destiny was wrought in their rejection of the Messiah. When Scripture records Jesus' lament, it doesn't say anything about him making any kind of distinction between the population. That has to be read into it. When he spoke to Jerusalem, he spoke of "thy children" in both Matthew 23:37 and Luke 13:34. He lamented because they, the children of Jerusalem, would not entrust to him, as chicks do to the mother hen. Just as he said. If they had been predestined to destruction, he would have been fully aware of it, and lamented not, for he is fully God even as the Son of man, who would have been the one predestined them.
For the same reason he could pray:
O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me
Even though as God he knew that it wasnât possible.