Wayfarer pilgrim wrote: â€ś mean spirited vibeâ€ť? Seriously, whatever happened to believers needed to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves? Vimeo also posts pornagraphy videos, donâ€™t be surprised if the same cistern dips out a lot of dregs before you ever find fresh water.
I guess if we won't separate ourselves from the world, God will do it for us.
sc wrote: Jacob was first a deceiver. We're all brats until we have the fear of the Lord. Spiritual pride is not taking a stand for that which is true. People with big toes always accuse those who are in disagreement with them as being self-righteous.
Amen...I think we need to back off and allow the dynamic duo to have the spotlight. Big egos and pride always demands the spotlight.
What is it they want us to admit? Wrestling and competitive sports are okay as long as the participants don't cheat? What if this discussion took place in ancient Rome? We would be talking about wrestlers with no clothes on instead of a second skin. Of course, seeing as nothing's changed, it would be argued that wrestling would be okay as long as the participants didn't cheat. Nothing's new under the sun.
ladybug wrote: Well, your back door innuendo at taking a stab calling me prideful in a roundabout way is not surprising, seeing as you are twisting holy writ to fit your brand of Pharisee type religion. This isn't my first rodeo. Your poor eisegesis of Genesis 32 doesn't hold water either, it wasn't due to stubbornness; I leave it to God to choose whether to reveal His truth to you or keep it from you. may God grant you true understanding of His word and keep you from further twisting His truth.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Sounds like a bratty kid, if you ask me. Nonetheless, have it your way.
ladybug wrote: Canucklehead... God, as a man, wrestled Jacob and put Jacob's hip out of joint, was God in sin? Can you answer?
God is never in sin for anything He does. That is obvious. God can rain down cancer, death and distruction as He sees fit, and is completely glorified in that.
But remember, it was Jacob who wrestled God, not the other way around. God tolerated Jacob's stubbornness and eventually dislocated Jacob's hip to prove who was more powerful.
I now know how you feel dear sister, when your words of love and rebuke bounce off of iron heads of pride and stubbornness. I will back off now and allow you to feel like you are the better, more mature one in this discussion.
Oops...I guess I'll have to find a different book than the Bible to make my point. God is, afterall, a very violent God, and He did many violent things to get His point across. It seems once a "Christian" makes a stand on something (i.e gambling, drinking, watching and competing in competitive sports, etc.), no amount of scriptural argument will deter him.
God wrestled, wiped out entire nations, killed His own people, etc., I guess because God did it, we have the liberty to do it as well? God controls the outcome of the rolling of die in gambling as well, so it's okay to gamble?
Matthew 5 14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which.
Wrestling, as with many other things, in and of itself is not wrong. I do believe I said, it was the spirit of the sport which was wrong. Let me ask you LBug something: Do you think it is Christ-like to hurt someone? Do you think it's Christ-like to injure your opponent? Do you think it's Christ-like to place your opponent in a position that separates his shoulder?
As for Jacob and God wrestling, oh my...that was sad. Honestly, is that the best you can do? What's also sad, is Christians today arguing over topics like this. It should be a given that there's separation from the world. The problem is, as was quoted by Spurgeon, the world has far too much influence over us, the church. Hence the compromise.
sc wrote: L bug, nakedness is defined in many passages of Scripture...the one I cited, for instance. While Aaron was a priest, he was also a man. If one searches for many passages regarding attire and nakedness, one may have a better understanding of what constitutes nakedness. Since we all (men and women) are to avoid being naked or uncovering others nakedness, it would behoove us to know what that is and not align our cultural standards with those of Scripture. One clear example of being naked in the Bible is exposing ones loins and thighs...
Indeed, it's a sign of the times when Christians ban together to protect their idols. Since when do we see such comradery between LBug and Dr. Tim? Only when both are threatened. It's a shame to see the church turning a blind eye on such "minor" topics. These minor topics are nothing more than symptoms of a bigger problem. Desensitization of our morals. We're all desensitized, and it only takes a few seconds looking at this forum, by an outsider, to see the hypocrisy of the church. Sad...
ladybug wrote: Stewardship should be taken seriously, that includes how we spend what God gives to us. Concerning smoking, here's the verse God used to help break me of that habit 16 years ago - 1 Cor. 3:17 The word 'homosexual' may not appear in the bible, however, the sin of men with men is clearly spoken out against in Lev. 18:22, 1 Cor. 6:9,10 and Romans 1.This would be beneficial to read -https://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-origin-of-phrase-homosexual.html. It's amazing how someone can kick another to the curb because we don't meet your criteria, in this case, standing in opposition to your and sc's opinion that wrestling is an abhorrence to God. Until you can show from God's word where there is even a hint of wrestling being sinful, neither of you have a leg to stand on. Do you think Samuel was aggressive when this happened - And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal. 1 Sam. 15:33...It seems you are now resorting to rabbit trails to make your case.
ladybug wrote: Standing firm? Where does the bible outlaw young men to participate in sports? If there's no biblical support, the only thing you and sc are standing firm on are your personal opinions and convictions. Legalists love to condemn others, but how many of you desire to see a sinner caught in a fault, IF in fact they are, restored? How many of you pray for them? Are you and sc praying for this young man who you both claim is in sin? Wouldn't it be of greater benefit to get off this forum and hit your knees on behalf of this young man? Again, Jerry Bridges point from his book 'respectable sins' seems to be rife in our day. It's so easy to judge others isn't it? It's so easy to say they are in sin, but don't you dare ask God to examine your OWN HEART. The greatest need within professing Christendom today is for self examination - those who do not see their need for this are in a terrible state.
It's the spirit of the sport which is unpleasing. I would have thought someone like you who stands so firm over carnality would understand this.
For the record, I am a Christian. For the record I am a beast of a man who has backgrounds in powerlifting, wrestling and martial arts. For the record, I have three boys and all three are tougher than nails. For the record, I am against the notion that it's okay to do something if the Bible isn't completely clear on it. It's a shame that so many Christians these days have seared consciences and cannot see the sin that before their very eyes. Thank you SC for standing firm.
can you... wrote: show from the bible where wrestling is called a sin?
If that is your way of getting out of being accountable for something, you are on dangerous ground. Have you ever wrestled? I have. Amatuer and professional. I have been involved in self defense and MMA.
Take a guess what all of these disciplines have in common? Hurting your opponent until he taps out. Is this Christian? Is this Christ-like? Is this loving?
In your opinion, being an obvious authority on all things biblical, could you see Jesus involved in wrestling?
Marty McD wrote: Is homeschooling permissible anywhere?
It is in Canada, at the moment. With our Prime Minster, who knows what's next. He did say once that Christianity is the worst part of Canada, so it could be any time now when homeschooling and Christianity is outlawed.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: What I see is the shame is that people wonâ€™t admit the obvious, that the sport of wrestling was used as an analogy for our spiritual battles and thus are saying God is using something evil to encourage us in our warfare. Itâ€™s the big elephant in the room but I suspect nothing will change
OF COURSE it was used an an analogy, but what of it? Just because Paul mentioned wrestling, doesn't mean he condoned it. He used it as an example of wrestling against the flesh in the same way Jesus used examples to illustrate His points made. Wrestling for sport, fame or fortune is wrong. Period.
sc wrote: We don't wrestle for the purpose of sport. Scriptures that speak of such are not, in any way, allowing for the sport of wrestling. The student in the article wrestles other students (flesh and blood). Physically wrestling someone for entertainment value is in no way condoned in the Bible. Thank the Lord,we won't have to wrestle in the spiritual realm one day either.
Amen. It's a shame others are blinded by their interests (wrestling, professional sports, etc.) that they can't see the truth.
James Thomas wrote: Considering the context... Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. John 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, I'd tend to believe the same people Jesus called out are the same Paul was warning those in Ephesus about and has nothing to do with any sport then or now.