Christopher000 wrote:
BM Wrote:
"Sorry, you missed the word "TUNE" , not the lyrics."
In America, a tune {slang} is a song, which encompasses the lyrics and instrumentals/melody/rhythm, of that tune/song, as a whole; having no difference between the two.
I still don't understand the categorization, but it's fine, and no explanation is necessary.

Christopher000 wrote:
B McCausland Wrote:
"Quiet Christian,
Surely there are hymns better than others, the main drinking song being the American anthem seconded by the Amazing Grace tune."
Good morning, BM...
Did you mean to say that the song/hymn, "Amazing Grace", is a top American drinking song? How do you understand it being used in American culture to categorize it like that? Thanks.
Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now am found
T'was blind but now I see
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear
And Grace, my fears relieved
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed
Through many dangers, toils and snares
We have already come.
T'was grace that brought us safe thus far
And grace will lead us home,
And grace will lead us home
Amazing grace, How Sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost but now am found
T'was blind but now I see
Was blind, but now I see.

However, the sensuality of present CCM has only a weak antecedent in the instrumental compositions of the Romantic period, and a stronger relative in the caberet music of the 20's, 30's and 40's of which few hymns belong to.
Generally the spiritual hymns that have past the test of time do not partake of that trend.
(Sorry, we are talking here about the classic hymn which derived from Europe, as the American genre of ditties became a class on its own, more subject to what you point to.)

The matter of principle is what matters when thin-combing the musical genres, and such has been already explained.

The spirit of the age is evident in present CCM, which grounds from personality cult, to the good feeling factor doing it "my way", borrowing from Frank Sinatra's theme.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
And your proof text is, Mrs. McC?

The verse gears towards the idea that putting on the Lord Jesus Christ is the epitome of all contrary to fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, of which music is an easy medium.

The proof of this is how people can only 'worship' using their particular ilk of music, the reason being that in reality it gives them the emotional/sensual 'kick' they seek of such exercise, which obviously comes confused as worship.

On the other hand, Christ stands for purity in the exercise of our senses.
The mere agitation or manipulation of our senses/emotions is not commanded in Scripture, but the stirring of a pure mind while bringing spiritual things to rememberance which in turn produces earnest thanksgiving, say true worship.

"beloved, ... I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance ... "

Dr. Tim wrote:
Excellent points, BMc, but I fear you are casting pearls before swine. Jim has shown repeatedly that he has no interest in the truth. May his arms fall off the day he throws away the best English translation of the Bible ever.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
My wife was playing a hymn today for Sunday from 1935 that is obviously a 1930s pop tune. What makes pop music from the early decades of the 20th century somehow holy or sanctified but more modern music somehow more sinful?

The issue is not time related but of internal musical construction.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
I think this just goes to show who and what is behind the forces of feminism in our land...principalities, powers, evil in high places.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
1. ... NKJV ... help fix numerous errors ... in the KJV
2. ... toss the KJV away

NKJV
From the creation of the world His invisible [attributes] are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made

The NKJV tries to 'help' the AV by reducing the vastness of all the invisible, not seen, things of him to 'his attributes'

2. Yes, you toss away the KJV when you freely have no quang in tossing away inspired words at bay, as in Rom.1:16

KJV
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation

ESV, NASB, RSV missing "of Christ"
I am not ashamed of the gospel __ ________,
for it is the power of God for salvation

3. Worse, RSV changes core doctrine

RSV
I am not ashamed of the gospel __ _______
it is the power of God for salvation to every one who *has faith*

KJV
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that *believes*

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Gentlemen, I don't know why we're arguing at all if we are talking about Bibles that are in the English language �� the KJV is in Elizabethan which is not in good contemporary English.
I suppose that's one reason why the NKJV sales so well because it can used to translate the KJV. But for many that's not appreciated because it actually help fix numerous errors that are in the KJV.
But if you don't want errors corrected and just want the KJV in modern language, you can get
http://www.kj21.com/ (The 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible (KJ21®))
But again if you have or can get easily, what you should use are one of the following, the NASB, ESV, or even the NKJV you can toss the KJV away. It has served its purpose. Or leave it out on the coffee table

E.g. Romans 1:14 KJV
I am *debtor* (opheilétēs = ower) both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

ESV, NSAB , RSV
I am *under obligation* both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
And still are, Mrs. McC. But one need look at the whole package.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
The Gettys are modern hymn writers who are fighting to restore or retain corporate worship, not as entertainment like CCM-based contemporary worship, but true God honoring worship.

TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE ROTH$CHILD$ ILLUMINATI SYNAGOGUE-OF-SATAN BEING FROM "BARBARIA" IS NOT AS BIBLICAL; AS, I BELIEVE THEM TO BE MORE DERIVATIVELY ORIGINATING FROM:
*BESTIA ! ! !
AS, IN
THE POLITICAL ANTICHRIST (SEA) BEAST OF REVELATION 13 ! ! ! ! ! !
ALBEIT, WE FORMER SATANIC~VATICANISTS &-OR ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" CULTISTS OF POPISH "JESUITIC" VATICANISM; KNOW FOR A+++FACT+++ THE COMING--IF HE ISN'T ALREADY HERE--RELIGIOUS *ANTICHRIST (EARTH) BEAST OF REVELATION CHAPTER 13 (vs11-18) IS NONE OTHER THAN THE "JESUIT"-GENERAL OF THE SATANIC~VATICAN'S ARMY OF LOYOLA; COMMONLY CALLED
"THE SOCIETY OF [SATAN]":
"AND HE (THE EARTH-BEAST/'JESUIT'-GENERAL) EXERCISETH ALL THE POWER OF THE FIRST BEAST BEFORE HIM (aka THE SEA-BEAST/POLITICAL-ANTICHRIST) BEFORE HIM, AND CAUSETH THE EARTH AND THEM WHICH DWELL THEREIN TO WORSHIP THE FIRST BEAST, WHOSE DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED…
AND HE (THE EARTH-BEAST/FALSE-PROPHET) CAUSETH ALL, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT, RICH AND POOR, FREE AND BOND, TO RECEIVE A MARK IN THEIR RIGHT HAND, OR IN THEIR
FOREHEADS…"-REVELATION 13:12 & 16 !

TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
*Sorry "bm". I've Reviewed Your Initial Comment To My Comment; And, Have Found It Quite Generally Truthful; ALBEIT, NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE IN MY USAGE OF "JEWSUIT" !

... I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY TO ALL WHAT I MEAN &-OR MY INTENT WHEN I USE THE WORD "JEWSUIT"; AS, YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S IN PARENTHESIS: MEANING THAT IT'S A SO-CALLED PROFESSING HEBREW/JEW WHO UTILIZES THE PRINCIPLES OF THE SATANIC~VATICAN "JESUITS" TO OBTAIN THEIR MEANS &-OR ENDS;
THUS:
+++THE ROTH$CHILD$-ILLUMINATI SYNAGOGUE-OF-SATAN "JEWSUITS"+++ !
AS THE "TEETER" TO THE "TOTTER" OF
+++THE SATANIC~VATICAN-"ALUMBRADOS" ASSEMBLY-OF-THE-WICKED &-OR MYSTERY-OF-INIQUITY "JESUITS"+++ !
THIS/THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE ROTH$CHILD$-ILLUMINATI SYNAGOGUE-OF-SATAN "JEWSUITS" AREN'T PART & PARCEL WITH THE ASSEMBLY-OF-THE-WICKED/MYSTERY-OF-INIQUITY SATANISTS, OCCULTISTS &-OR GRAND-CONSPIRATORS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE GRAND-CONSPIRACY OF THE FORCES/KINGDOM/POWERS OF DARKNESS OF LUCIFER, SATAN &-OR THE-DEVIL HIMSELF:
AS VANQUISHED, REVEALED, EXPOSED & DESTROYED IN
THE TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE/SCRIPTURE/WRIT !

TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
ACCORDING TO "d.t.","bm" & co. THE WORDS OF GOD/CHRIST-JESUS HIMSELF ARE ALSO "antisemitic"

Dr. Tim wrote:
BM, you seem to hold the opinion that you are the only person on earth who has ever read anything. I wish you would check the arrogancy level of some of your comments.

TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
[Which]dr.tim/way, way down under (as in HELL itself): ACCORDING TO YOU THE WORDS OF GOD/CHRIST HIMSELF ARE ALSO "antisemitic":
ESPECIALLY WHEN JESUS SPOKE AGAINST
"THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN":
WHOM THE ROTH$CHILD$-"JEW$UIT$" ARE !
&
THEY AREN'T EVEN SEMITES !