Jim; The seriousness of Sin, should be a mighty alarm going off in your conscience. As 10 out of 10 will die, as sin pays in full payment through the wages of death!
You canât escape death, Dr. Rugh, canât cover your sin debt of yours either!
Thank You Lord for the privilege of prayer You bring to your people to come to your Heavenly & utterly holy throne. What a faithful Friend one, truly has in Christ Alone, when one is a friend of Christ & nât a foe of Christ amen!
1 Thes 5:17 pray without ceasing,
Col 3:1-3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. Set your mind on things above, nât on things on the earth. For you died, & your life is hidden with Christ in God.
Jim; Itâs scary when you see your reality of what you & others embrace & try to pass off.
As you affirm objective morality, without really having a rational basis for it. In general though. You & Cortez use moral language to condemn God, the Bible, or Christians. You are trying to use words that describe realities that you donât even believe in. As you donât want to be held accountable for your own sin.
The unregenerate are lovers & pleasers, of the fallen flesh, in what feels good, in going to Burger King, I will have it my own way!!
Mat 16:26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, & loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
Jim you & Cortez are fizzing together as your worldview & here, are reduced down to humanistic, materialistic , atoms, just fizzing, differently from one another.
Without stealing & borrowing from a Biblical Worldview, that you & many others who are unregenerated. Canât account for reason, or for morality, or true Truth, or Justice, etc.
As you live life out through in being in active rebellion against the Only creator & sustainer of life & death, as a image barrier of God; Gen 1:27!
Without an objective moral standard of what is right & wrong, any judgments about right & wrong are just ones individual opinions. In which in reality is very intolerant, as ones Worldview is exposed & reduced to a way, that seems right, but leads too utter soul distruction for ones life, ever so sadly!
So Jim stop crying about your President, who is also the Current President too. But I am sure like Feel the Burn, you praise the murdering Dictators of Cuba!!!
Praise God when truth is shared in love, nât veiled, through humility. That I am what I am by His life changing grace, Alone & nothing of myself. Oâ how precious that is to the mind & soul!
As the grace of Rome, Pelagius & any other form of Semi- Pelagianism. That steers one away from what does scriptures tell us & teach us.
Whatâs ever so important is what scriptures tell us, what we willnât & canât do apart from Him, enabling one to be willing.
How theology affects our evanglisim, through our methodologies, being used in evangelism encounters!
As His Grace Alone is whatâs makes one willingly coming forth. As the Spirt, doesnât through grace, drag man to Christ against his will, but because it changes menâs hearts so that they come most freely, being made willing by His grace.
Thank You Lord, in nât being ashamed of Your glorious word, humbeling one, that apart from You, we all are worthy to be subjects & objects of Your Wrath. Oâ how precious grace is, when understood why itâs a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living & true God, who hates false doctrines, that perverts His Heavenly Character & Devine Truths amen!
CES; I know you arenât speaking to me, but I am just out of clarification purposes wise. I am trying to figure out, who you are referring too. In who is putting the Graham ministry before defending the truth of scriptures, through the Gospel?
Thank You Lord, that Your grace, humble one, when we reflect on, how we are doing better today than what we are deserving of. Oâ precious Lord, thank You, that You 1 ST, loved us & sought me out, for Heaven would have none then!
Oâ how precious Your truths are, as itâs a privilege to share Your Heavenly truths with others. As one dying beggar to another, that Christ didnât come for the Righteous or to become a Poltenial Savior amen!
Spurgeon; Born, as all of us are by nature, an Arminian, I still believed the old things I had heard continually from the pulpit, & didnât see the grace of God. When I was coming to Christ, I thought I was doing it all myself, & though I sought the Lord earnestly, I had no idea the Lord was seeking me.
Wise quote from Spurgeon; Discernment is knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right.â
I believe Dr. Peters is a great great grand child of Spurgeon;
If a minister in an apostate denomination is knowingly, wilfully & actively cooperating with false teachers we should have no fellowship with him, but if such a man is grieved by his non-evangelical colleagues, remonstrating with them, witnessing to them, & declining cooperation with them, then we must respect him, & be charitable. Perhaps he has never considered his position. We should certainly recognise him as a brother, fellowship with him privately, pray for him & persuade him to leave that denomination if we can.
However, we would be unable to share a platform with him, or ask him to preach for us, because that would endorse his apostate denomination & confuse Godâs people. But we wouldnât withdraw ourselves from him to the extent that we would from a wilfully disobedient evangelical minister who cooperates with his denominational false teachers.
Bro Jhn UK; As Jesus isnât just merely a Potential Savior, He is a Savior to His people Alone;Mat1:21. As His Sheep will hear His Voice clearly;Jhn 10:26-29 & Hallelujah!
Spurgeon; Donât let the doctrine of election get in the way. We donât know who they are. Somebody said to Spurgeon, you canât preach that doctrine. You canât preach that doctrine to everybody because they might nât be elect.â & he said, âWell if youâll go around & pull their shirt up so I can see if they have an âEâ stamped on their back, Iâll preach only to them.â I donât know who they are & so we go to the ends of the earth because this is a secret decree known only after faith, nât before. So I can with no hesitation cry out to all to come to Christ.
Bro Jhn UK; I Like what Spurgeon said on Election, as Spurgeon was diffandtly a great Soul Winner, as he wrote a book on it. As he equally loved to preach in the Open Air outdoor preaching setting amen.
What he said about Election through who the Elect, are. Is a great statement, that has stuck to my mind over the years now in my life.
Spurgeon; If God would have painted a yellow stripe on the backs of the elect I would go around lifting shirts. But since He didnât I must preach âwhosoever willâ & when âwhatsoeverâ believes I know that he is one of the elect.
If God would have painted a yellow stripe on the backs of the elect I would go around lifting shirts. But since He didnât I must preach âwhosoever willâ & when âwhatsoeverâ believes I know that he is one of the elect.
Bro Jhn UK; So the Evangelist, or a preacher, or even a mom or dad, who is sharing their faith in a 1 to 1 setting. Or someone behind the pulpit preaching & teaching, Should have a greater desire of seeing one through the power of the Spirit plowing up & turning over hardened soil. In the Spirit leading one to Christ. In seeing one come to a possession of saving Faith, that only God can give through the power of the Gospel; Jhn 1:12-13.
Many will have a profession of faith, Mat 7:21-23, but in reality they didnât have a possession of saving Faith!
One important aspect of why misusing Rev 3:20 out of context does spiritual harm, in teaching notions, scriptures donât teach one.
Seeing people come to Possession of Saving Faith is what matters, as their is a huge contrast between the 2. Titus 1:16; Profession of Faith!
Eph 1:13-14; Saving Faith of Possession!, bearing Godly fruit in it; Gal 5:22-24.
Mike in what I had shared from Jhn MacArthur break down in how many well intentioned people, like to use, Rev 3:20, out of context in outreach purposes.
So their is opposition, as people want to think, that they can do certain things, that Scriptures say other wise too. As mankind can make many freely daily choices, of what to eat, or drink, or what type of car to buy. Since they have Liberty in their choices, mankind also, has responsibilities, through accountability to ones only creator!
But people donât like to hear truth derived from scriptures, that mankind left to their own fallen nature, liken to the Leopard willnât change its own spots. As one willnât seek Christ out left to their own fallen nature in being a natural man of the Loins of the 1 ST Adam.
But unless the Lord is the one who is doing the True Seeking First! Since He will never see down the corridor of time, in foreknowledge of seeing people seeking Him. Outside of Him first being the True seeker.
That is humbling & utterly amazing in a great mystery of wonder, Why Me Lord amen.
Bro Jhn UK; The Daryle Wingerd quote that I shared was cut off, as he stated basically in the quote. That God does saves Sinners despite of skewed methodology, being used. As I rejoice in, when one is truly & soundly converted from the kingdom of darkness to the everlasting light of, no King but Christ Alone amen!
The rest of the quote; we should mourn that many more â likely the vast majority â have been left in a worse condition than before.
A worthwhile read, that talks clearly about in what I have posted; https://www.ccwtoday.org/2009/04/the-corrupt-root-and-bitter-fruit-of-altar-call-evangelism/
Jhn MacArthur; Makes a great point in sharing truths to others, as truth shared in love, in humility, is a beautiful thing. Equally as grace given as none are worthy of grace given!
In fact, the abuse of Revelation 3:20 often goes hand-in-hand with talk of âasking Jesus into your heartâ & other man-centered versions of the gospel message. One way to protect yourself & your evangelism from such skewed perspectives is to closely adhere to biblical language when youâre explaining the gospel.
Bro Jhn UK, pleasant greetings to you; What I was saying when people use Rev 3:20, as a plea to one, that Jesus is knocking on their hearts door, sounds good in theory, but itâs an emotional plea. The context of Rev 3:20 doesnât support, that notion in that way. As it causes more harm than good.
As one who has a spiritual heart of stone, has a great spiritual issue, as they need a new heart of flesh nât asking Jesus into their heart!
John MacArthur; On Rev 3:20; Put simply, Christ isnât pleading on every sinnerâs spiritual doorstep. Jesus doesnât need to beg or badger anyone into the kingdom of heaven (Jhn 10:27-28). Salvation isnât merely a matter of the Lord getting a foot inside the door of your heartâitâs a work of total transformation (Ezekiel 36:26). &!most important of all, salvation isnât triggered by an act of the sinnerâs willâitâs Godâs intervening work that rescues us from the just penalty of our sin(Eph 2:4-9)
Jim; The Size of a Fetus or the Level of development, or Environment, or Degree of dependency. Doesnât take away that a small Fetus is life from conception. As someone else pleaded with you on here, that God would call you & lead you to life changing, heart felt, Godly repentance in & through Christ Alone amen!
Job 10:12 You gave me life & showed me kindness, & in your providence watched over my spirit.
PS 100:3 Know that the LORD is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the sheep of his pasture.
Job 31:15 Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers?
Jim; Whatâs the difference between a human being & a human person?â
Brother John UK, I came from a Sinners Prayer background of a church setting. I Like what Spurgeon says; I would propose that the subject of the ministry in this house, as long as this platform shall stand, & as long as this house shall be frequented by worshippers, shall be the person of Jesus Christ. I am never ashamed to avow myself a Calvinist; I donât hesitate to take the name of Baptist; but if I am asked what is my creed, I reply â âItâs Jesus Christâ.
Bro Jhn UK; If one is saved by the Altar Call, through asking Jesus into their heart, is despite of that, notion of Rev 3:20, being taken out of context.
As Regeneration is a Holy work of the Eternal Godhead, that has been stated on here, with the verses from the book of Jhn, amen; Jhn 1:12-13!
Daryl Wingerd; The truth is, altar call methodology creates more problems than it solves. Most âdecisionsâ produce only what the unchanged human heart is easily & deceptively able to manufacture on its own â false religious zeal & moral resolve. The only difference is that in this case, all is done under the banner of Christianity, as opposed to some other religion. While we should rejoice that many have been truly saved through these methods, we should mourn that many more â likely the vast majority â have been left in a wo
As evangelize is important as Holy living is as well in being a doer & a hearer of His life changing truths, found within Scriptures & amen. For Nothing but the Blood of Christ is sufficient alone, to wash me clean & only by His Grace Alone. Is His Grace greater than my own stains of transgressions amen.
The real question is: How powerful is the Word of God? Can it change men from sinners into saints without an extension of an altar call? Will it convict & convert (as God promises), or will we need to add something that helps men âsettle itâ? You will never be able to do without the invitation system until you are thoroughly convinced of the power of God's Word (Rom. 10:14; Jas. 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:23).