Quiet Christian, Surely there are hymns better than others, the main drinking song being the American anthem seconded by the Amazing Grace tune.
However, the sensuality of present CCM has only a weak antecedent in the instrumental compositions of the Romantic period, and a stronger relative in the caberet music of the 20's, 30's and 40's of which few hymns belong to. Generally the spiritual hymns that have past the test of time do not partake of that trend. (Sorry, we are talking here about the classic hymn which derived from Europe, as the American genre of ditties became a class on its own, more subject to what you point to.)
The matter of principle is what matters when thin-combing the musical genres, and such has been already explained.
The spirit of the age is evident in present CCM, which grounds from personality cult, to the good feeling factor doing it "my way", borrowing from Frank Sinatra's theme.
The more compromised a fellowship is regarding music the more argumentative it becomes, because once the old leaven has entered, the senses that discern good from bad are in bondage to the sensual appeal making it more difficult to dislodge itself from the snares entrapping will power and reasoning skills.
The Quiet Christian wrote: And your proof text is, Mrs. McC?
"... put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and *make not provision* for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof."
The verse gears towards the idea that putting on the Lord Jesus Christ is the epitome of all contrary to fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, of which music is an easy medium.
The proof of this is how people can only 'worship' using their particular ilk of music, the reason being that in reality it gives them the emotional/sensual 'kick' they seek of such exercise, which obviously comes confused as worship.
On the other hand, Christ stands for purity in the exercise of our senses. The mere agitation or manipulation of our senses/emotions is not commanded in Scripture, but the stirring of a pure mind while bringing spiritual things to rememberance which in turn produces earnest thanksgiving, say true worship.
"beloved, ... I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance ... "
"... strong meat belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
Dr. Tim wrote: Excellent points, BMc, but I fear you are casting pearls before swine. Jim has shown repeatedly that he has no interest in the truth. May his arms fall off the day he throws away the best English translation of the Bible ever.
Thanks, sir. However, it is not necessarily for Jim that comments are made.
Open lies and misleading statements of that kind need challenged for many out there presently taking on board such none acceptable utterances. Take care
The Quiet Christian wrote: My wife was playing a hymn today for Sunday from 1935 that is obviously a 1930s pop tune. What makes pop music from the early decades of the 20th century somehow holy or sanctified but more modern music somehow more sinful?
You are making such unsustainable assumption.
The issue is not time related but of internal musical construction.
In short and as a rule of thumb, God honoring music has a robust melody not appealing to base senses, and riding on a sequence of undistorted natural harmonics.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Gentlemen, I don't know why we're arguing at all if we are talking about Bibles that are in the English language âđ the KJV is in Elizabethan which is not in good contemporary English. I suppose that's one reason why the NKJV sales so well because it can used to translate the KJV. But for many that's not appreciated because it actually help fix numerous errors that are in the KJV. But if you don't want errors corrected and just want the KJV in modern language, you can get http://www.kj21.com/ (The 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible (KJ21Âź)) But again if you have or can get easily, what you should use are one of the following, the NASB, ESV, or even the NKJV you can toss the KJV away. It has served its purpose. Or leave it out on the coffee table
Sorry you cannot perceive the many arbitrary variations and washed down terms, words and concepts those modern versions sustain.
The Quiet Christian wrote: The Gettys are modern hymn writers who are fighting to restore or retain corporate worship, not as entertainment like CCM-based contemporary worship, but true God honoring worship.
It depends on what angle you come from. They themselves have been religious entertainers with boundery contemporary music
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote: YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE ROTH$CHILD$ ILLUMINATI SYNAGOGUE-OF-SATAN BEING FROM "BARBARIA" IS NOT AS BIBLICAL; AS, I BELIEVE THEM TO BE MORE DERIVATIVELY ORIGINATING FROM: *BESTIA ! ! ! AS, IN THE POLITICAL ANTICHRIST (SEA) BEAST OF REVELATION 13 ! ! ! ! ! ! ALBEIT, WE FORMER SATANIC~VATICANISTS &-OR ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" CULTISTS OF POPISH "JESUITIC" VATICANISM; KNOW FOR A+++FACT+++ THE COMING--IF HE ISN'T ALREADY HERE--RELIGIOUS *ANTICHRIST (EARTH) BEAST OF REVELATION CHAPTER 13 (vs11-18) IS NONE OTHER THAN THE "JESUIT"-GENERAL OF THE SATANIC~VATICAN'S ARMY OF LOYOLA; COMMONLY CALLED "THE SOCIETY OF [SATAN]": "AND HE (THE EARTH-BEAST/'JESUIT'-GENERAL) EXERCISETH ALL THE POWER OF THE FIRST BEAST BEFORE HIM (aka THE SEA-BEAST/POLITICAL-ANTICHRIST) BEFORE HIM, AND CAUSETH THE EARTH AND THEM WHICH DWELL THEREIN TO WORSHIP THE FIRST BEAST, WHOSE DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALEDâŠ AND HE (THE EARTH-BEAST/FALSE-PROPHET) CAUSETH ALL, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT, RICH AND POOR, FREE AND BOND, TO RECEIVE A MARK IN THEIR RIGHT HAND, OR IN THEIR FOREHEADSâŠ"-REVELATION 13:12 & 16 !
Obviously you perceive their spiritual role linked to the beasts of revelation which reality rides on factual existence in tangible geography.
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote: *Sorry "bm". I've Reviewed Your Initial Comment To My Comment; And, Have Found It Quite Generally Truthful; ALBEIT, NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE IN MY USAGE OF "JEWSUIT" !
... I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY TO ALL WHAT I MEAN &-OR MY INTENT WHEN I USE THE WORD "JEWSUIT"; AS, YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S IN PARENTHESIS: MEANING THAT IT'S A SO-CALLED PROFESSING HEBREW/JEW WHO UTILIZES THE PRINCIPLES OF THE SATANIC~VATICAN "JESUITS" TO OBTAIN THEIR MEANS &-OR ENDS; THUS: +++THE ROTH$CHILD$-ILLUMINATI SYNAGOGUE-OF-SATAN "JEWSUITS"+++ ! AS THE "TEETER" TO THE "TOTTER" OF +++THE SATANIC~VATICAN-"ALUMBRADOS" ASSEMBLY-OF-THE-WICKED &-OR MYSTERY-OF-INIQUITY "JESUITS"+++ ! THIS/THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE ROTH$CHILD$-ILLUMINATI SYNAGOGUE-OF-SATAN "JEWSUITS" AREN'T PART & PARCEL WITH THE ASSEMBLY-OF-THE-WICKED/MYSTERY-OF-INIQUITY SATANISTS, OCCULTISTS &-OR GRAND-CONSPIRATORS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE GRAND-CONSPIRACY OF THE FORCES/KINGDOM/POWERS OF DARKNESS OF LUCIFER, SATAN &-OR THE-DEVIL HIMSELF: AS VANQUISHED, REVEALED, EXPOSED & DESTROYED IN THE TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE/SCRIPTURE/WRIT !
Thanks for taking time to share your understanding about the matter. The illuminati and Rothchild's seem to derive from Barbaria.
Dr. Tim wrote: BM, you seem to hold the opinion that you are the only person on earth who has ever read anything. I wish you would check the arrogancy level of some of your comments.
We will not add insult to yours, but it is obvious you cannot receive even a well meant kindness. The wise receives instruction No further comment deserved. Please abstain from further unchristian responses.
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote: [Which]dr.tim/way, way down under (as in HELL itself): ACCORDING TO YOU THE WORDS OF GOD/CHRIST HIMSELF ARE ALSO "antisemitic": ESPECIALLY WHEN JESUS SPOKE AGAINST "THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN": WHOM THE ROTH$CHILD$-"JEW$UIT$" ARE ! & THEY AREN'T EVEN SEMITES !
It would be useful if you provided sources by which the uninformed may perceive the jest of what you are pointing to as it seems it is misunderstood.
Caution, Doc. JEW$UIT$ stands for Jesuits with which bankers of Jewish ethnical ancestry called ROTH$CHILD$ link.
Mike wrote: If they did, they'd probably be accused of pandering to Catholics.
Ecumenical business advances on seemingly common grounds of belief, but the ecumenical trap of antiabortion should not justify such. As Rome believes in the strength of nominal numbers in their rank, at times the numerical growth of a particular ethnic group can be a convenient reason for an antiabortion stand internally as a macrostrategy .
Let the saints speak up by themselves when they need to about a matter without the need of a common platform to make their voice known. Truth does not need a platform as it can stand by itself. Its repression does not fall on the bearer of truth but on the receiver's end.
Adriel wrote: Politically Correct obviously means aberration from all that is normal, sensible and natural. Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Jude :10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them!"
Political Correctness are mechanisms purposely fabricated to evade direct accountability for God's right and wrong. It is a way out to apeace collective conscience at odds with God's laws.
Psa 81:12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.