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2/4/09 3:07 PM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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Lyn wrote: Rogerant~ before you 'gloat' over your victory {which seems to be your main goal; being right, not edifying others}, read this from MacArthur's website, from www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/90-65 "First of all, I get the righteousness of Christ, to know Him is to have His righteousness. It is to have His holiness, His virtue infused into me, IMPUTED to me. It makes me right before God." Also, from his sermon 'The believer's armor, MacArthur states, 'When you become a Christian, you reach out your hand in faith, take hold of the hand of God through Jesus Christ, at that moment the righteousness of Christ is IMPUTED to you, God clothes you in the righteousness of Christ." We should NOT attack others based on opinions and half-truths. Also, check this out...www.gty.org/search/resources/imputed+righteousness I do not gloat in defending the doctrines of grace. I get upset when someone is trying to "add" works to the Gospel. I get upset when someone condemns others who believe in a common witness or confession of revealed truths, but then points to a man (John McArthur) for us to look to for truth. McArthur is just another independent who is running his church whatsoever is right in his own eyes. |
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2/4/09 10:48 AM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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Lyn wrote: To get a clear understanding on MacArthur and Lordship salvation, go to www.gty.org/Resources/Articles/A114 The question is, must one surrender to Christ as Lord {not for salvation but as evidence of it}? If Jesus is just your Savior, but not your Lord, then you are insisting on 'running the show'. It would appear you want to claim He saved you, but now, you will take charge. Perhaps this explains the continual debating that more often than not leads to sarcasm, divisiveness, and snide comments. To argue just to prove one is 'right' is not what God expects. To lovingly correct, in hopes God will bring that person to repentance, is what should be the goal. Strong-arming others into one's belief system is both arrogant and unscriptural. You don't have to post McAurthur's position to pursuade or strong arm me. I have already read it. Have you read the Reformed resonse? Have you done your homework? What is arrogant is, those who post, attempt to pursuade, attempt to convince, attempt to teach, attempt to strong arm others into their own position, but claim that they are doing it because of LOVING CORRECTION. What makes you any different than the rest of us sinners. |
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2/4/09 9:49 AM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: RogerAnt, you still miss the point. Jesus did not give this young man something impossible to do. Was Jesus presenting the Law or the Gospel to the rich young ruler? Or was it a hybrid? That is the problem with the church today. It does not proclaim a clear distinction between the two. And for some people, the hybrid is the way to go because they consider the other two positions as being extremes. People who sit on the fence will consistently confuse law and gospel still leaving their repondents in misery. Those who hold to the hybrid position are still in effect teaching the law, and not proclaiming the Gospel.And so you end up with lordship salvationists (John McAurthur) antinomians (Charles Stanley) and then the Reformers. There is NO MIDDLE ground. You are either teaching the law, or you are teaching the Gospel. For a good online work on the Rich Young Ruler I recommend this link: [URL=http://www.faithalone.org/journal/2000ii/Haller.htm]]]Did the RYR hear the Gospel According to Jesus?[/URL] A good book on the subject to read is: [URL=http://www.amazon.com/Christ-Lord-Reformation-Lordship-Salvation/dp/0801043743]]]Christ the Lord[/URL] |
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2/3/09 5:56 PM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: But Roger, it is not a question of how much of the Bible we read........ But of how much we believe....... Oh is understand now. I don't feel anywhere as offended. God praises you for presuming that all other only believe part of the Bible, while you believe the whole thing. |
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2/3/09 5:10 PM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: p.s. ta for the complement, but I only desire the praise of God not men. He is glad I'm a whole-Bible believer. Do you think that God praises you for presuming that all others only read part of their Bible, and that you read the whole thing? |
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2/3/09 10:44 AM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: RogerAnt, you still miss the point. No, I do not miss the point. You missunderstand the Gospel period.The law demands, the gospel gives. "We need to be willing at a moments notice" The Lord Jesus does not say to the rich young ruler "at a moments notice you must be willing. He says before you come follow me, distribute it all to the poor. And then he says: 24 And when Jesus saw that he became very sorrowful, He said, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." And those who heard it said, "WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED?" But He said, "THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE WITH MAN ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD." Then Peter said, "See, we have left all and followed You." So He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, there is NO ONE WHO HAS LEFT HOUSE or parents or brothers or wife or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who shall not receive many times more in this present time, and in the age to come eternal life." You miss the point. The ruler and the apostles believed that they had these abilities. Christ told them they didn't. |
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2/3/09 9:33 AM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John Gill on Luke 18This man was no Sadducee, he believed a future state; was a serious man, thoughtful about another world, and concerned how he should enjoy everlasting life; but was entirely upon a legal bottom, and under a covenant of works; and speaks in the language and strain of the nation of Israel, who were seeking for righteousness and life by the works of the law: he expected eternal life by doing some good thing, or things; and hoped, as the sequel shows, that he had done every good thing necessary to the obtaining it... he must keep the commandments; that is, perfectly: he must do not only one good thing, but all the good things the law requires; he must not be deficient in any single action, in anyone work of the law, either as to matter, or manner of performance; everything must be done, and that just as the Lord in his law has commanded it. Our Lord answers according to the tenor of the covenant of works, under which this man was; and according to the law of God, which requires perfect obedience to it, as a righteousness, and a title to life; and in case of the least failure, curses and condemns to everlasting death; see (Deuteronomy 6:25) (Galatians 3:12,10) . This Christ said, in order to show, that it is impossible to enter into, or obtain eternal life. |
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2/3/09 8:12 AM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon, Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: RogerAnt, you miss the point Jesus gave him opportunity to follow him, but he was rich, and was not willing to give all up for Christ. Matthew Henry on this says: Yes there are those whom use this passage a a requirement of the sinner to justify himself before God. But, if it is a passage that provides a "how to" be saved, then we must all sell everything that we have.How is your salvation going. Have you sold everything? Do you own anything? I am sure that you don't read the whole passage literally. That you just have to be willing to give all your wealth away, but not do it. Again, our Lord, when asked what I must do to inherit eternal life, gives one of two answers. If they are looking for a work that they can do to be saved, He gives them an impossible work. If they realize they aren't capable of a work to be saved, He commands them to believe what He has done to save them. |
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