R & S I am not offended...I understand spelling is a challenge...my Mom had only an 8th grade education....and make it clear to me and my brothers...just because we finished High School...does not give us the right to correct her spelling.
As to preservation of God's word...it is the copies that followed after the autographs had turned to dust...that God preserved for us.
The original writings of the New Testament no longer exist. They have been destroyed by the processes of time. But the New Testament has been preserved in God's providence by copies being made, first of the originals and then later copies of the copies and so on through the centuries. The earliest complete copy of the New Testament that we have was made about 300 years after the New Testament was written, although manuscripts of some parts have been found that were copied less than 100 years after the originals were written. For the first fifteen hundred years of copying, copies had to be made by hand. This means that all the types of errors that can creep into handwritten copies can be found in the manuscripts of the New Testament.
Jerry: Some non-English versions with New Testaments based on more reliable Greek texts.
Remo & Susan Graziotin: Who says they are more reliable??
* you or me?? Yes...we can learn textual criticism and how we received our Bible into English from the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
* modern Scollars??? ...and ancient too. Textual criticism has been around longer that KJVO...which only started in the 70's from J.J. Ray and Otis Fuller plagerizing from Seventhday Advantist teacher, Benjamin Wilkerson.
Remo & Susan Graziotin: Psalms 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Of course this verse dontn,t mean what it plainly says to those who hate truth.
Jerry: It does...if you do not bring a KJVO presuposition to the text.
Why Psalm 12:6,7 Is Not A Promise Of The Infallible Preservation Of Scripture
I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Revelation 3:2
My concern is the step back towards sacramentalism...adding sacraments to the grace of God. This is where the Reformation protested against Romes insistence to add baptism (baptismal regeneration - infants & adults) and the Mass (transubstantiation) to the gospel. Luther, Calvin and those who followed them...went only as far as to reform Rome's doctrines....when instead they should have went to complete the work to restore the doctrines of the Christian faith. But this would have brought them to align with the Separatist...something they did not want....since they saw them as Rome did...heretics.
Federal Vision/Auburn Theology is the Reformation in reverse...a Protestant form of Romanism....but without a return to Rome.
And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. Acts 8:38
Christian rite of immersion comes from the Hebrew rite of ceremonial washings. God revealed additional details from heaven (Matthew 21:25). I would not make the mode a matter of fellowship. But I am convinced that full immersion best pictures Jesus' death, burial and resurrection when we are identified with him through faith (Romans 6 is better translated as "identified" and is not a "wet" baptism).
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion (better trans. "departure") occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 2 Thess. 2
If one text of the Bible shaped my understanding of Bible prophecy was 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. As a child I understood that the "man of sin" would be a future world leader waiting to be revealed after our "being gathered together" and during the "day of the Lord." I grew up before Hal Lindsey's "Late Great Planet Earth" and I would never hear of Darby or Scofield until I was in my twenties. When I was saved after March 22, 1971...I had my original understanding challenged and questioned. But nothing offered stood the test of re-examination.
Craig Ellachie: ""St Jeremiah"" Appears to be another *Dispy* type who wants to segregate parts of the Word of God into; "this bit applies to us," - "And this bit applies to them."
Reminiscent of the heresy of JD'ism.
St Jeremiah: Ohhh...I see this is a Reformed Covenant Theology Only place. If you ain't Reformed....you ain't welcome kinda survey...do I understand your correct?
I've been run outta several sites like this...Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 13 seemed to have been cut out of their Bible and the rules of the Board applied to everyone but them. They would run rough shod over any that did not say their shibboleth (Judges 12:6). I've been called a heretic, false teacher, liar, deceived by Satan, stupid, idiot, ect., ect....I'm sure you keep a list handy if a flaming insult hasn't been used yet.
I just wants to lift up Christ, comment on the survey as I understand the Bible and be edified in turn by what others contribute. But if I as a Christian, a Fundimentalist Indepedent Baptist who hold to Pauline Dispensationalism that believes in a pretribulational rapture and a premillennial return of Christ...is not welcome....report my posts to a moderator and have me locked oout.
....who occasionally sins ... Satan will try to convince you that you are an unworthy, unacceptable, sin-sick person who will never amount to anything in God's eyes" (Victory Over the Darkness, pp. 44-45, 56).
I do not recommend nor endores all that Dr. Anderson teaches...but on sanctification I find he is biblical in this area. Other areas..he is flawed: http://www.equip.org/free/DA080.htm I only call myself what the Bible calls me. Rome has no monopoly on this idenification that they have redefined. I am a saint in Christ Jesus...set apart by God to be used by Him in the work He has foreordained for me to do (Ephesians 2:10).
Craig Ellachie: Doesn't sound kosher thus far.???
St Jeremiah: Does this mean I am not welcome here? That I cannot share what I believe and contribute to the survey's at Sermon Audio? Forgive me for intruding into a private club that I was not qualified for membership.
Craig Ellachie: ""St Jeremiah"" said "This earth will be burned up (2 Peter 3) and the new is promised to Israel via Abraham. The Church is promised the heavens..."
Some on earth - some in heaven.???
Isn't that a Jehovah's Witness belief and teaching.???
St Jeremiah: Nope...I know....have examined their teaching for over 30 years. My neighbors were J.W.'s and expected Jesus to return in 1975 or 76. As a teenager I witnessed to them that this was not going to happen. So how have I offended you to respond to me in this way?
Craig Ellachie: Also this guy is calling himself a Calvinist - But no Calvinist would use the "St." something, type of pseudonym.
St Jeremiah: And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. Ephesians 6:18 (45 verses in the NIV say we are saints in Christ Jesus). "Many Christians refer to themselves as sinners saved by grace. But are you really a sinner? Is that your scriptural identity? Not at all. God doesn't call you a sinner; He calls you a saint -- a holy one. If you think of yourself as a sinner, guess what you will do: you'll live like a sinner; you'll sin. Why not identify yourself for who you really are: a saint.....continued...
Lurker: You are going to get along famously with a fellow named JD.
St Jeremiah: I do not know JD...but not all dispensational, pre-tribbers, premillennialist think alike. We agree on many thing...but differ in other areas. I am more concerned that what I believe is found in the Bible....which is what is expected of every saint in Christ Jesus. Acts 17:11
Independent Baptist teach that when one believes and show evidence of conversion (join a local Church, be immersed, partake of the Lord's supper, submission to discipleship, soul winning, ect) and fruit of the Holy Spirit...then their profession is authenticated..."God always will love him to the end." If they should sin...then Jesus is their advocate to plea for them (1 John 2:1& 2). Peter is an illustration of such a struggling saint. Though he denied the Lord...the Lord did not disown him (2 Timothy 2:11-13).
But a Judas Iscariot and Simon the Sorcerer (Acts 8:9-25)made profession of faith and showed evidences. Why can we say they are lost...or "was never true faith!" Because God revealed their hearts and said they never were saved.
Then we have Ananias and Sapphira, John Mark, or Demas? The Bible is silent of their final spiritual destinty...except John Mark where later he repented and became useful. They serve as examples that God delt with them as His children (Hebrews 12:4-12) or He delt with them as sinners. But we really cannot be sure. God's word only instructs us to treat them as lost until they repent and then restore them to the fellowship (Matthew 18:15-20).
So E....do not judge Independent Baptist..you do not know our doctrine.
E: Prefession = once saved always save, you must be a indipendant Baptist. Only they, as I know belive in that rubish. __________________________________________
Excuse me....I am an Independent Baptist....and I and Independent Baptist I fellowship do not agree with Onlooker...since this is not what the Bible teaches. A profession of faith, strong or otherwise, does not automatically mean one is "saved." There are evidences of salvation and fruits of righteousness that will accompany and follow after a profession. If one makes a profession and does not continue in Jesus' teaching cannot be "saved" since he lack evidence he is saved. (John 8:31). But even if evidence is lacking....can we really say:
God always will love him to the end
No it was never true faith!
We cannot say neither...because all this question deals with ones "strong profession of faith." If you understand the gospel....then "I am not sure" is the right answer. And Independent Baptist do not teach that that the security of the believer auotmatically follows a "strong profession of faith." The salvation of the soul...as Romans 6:14-23, 10:8-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 say that doctrine, faith, transformation, regeneration, ect all are working to conversion.
Craig Ellachie: Now we know what mainly you do/do not adhere to by statement. But what are you.???
St Jeremiah: I am a Independent Fundimentalist Baptist. But it has to be clarified...because there are alot of preconceived notions of what one is. So to help others know...I explained myself of what catagory or variety I am.
Craig Ellachie: By their fruit they will be known, - Not by their statement. That takes a little longer.
Actiually I do not produce "fruit" but "nuts" Just a lame joke. I have been a saint in Christ Jesus since March 22, 1971. I have my own blog where I post my thoughts.
Craig Ellachie: If not KJV - What then, NIV.???
Yes...also accept NASV, NKJV, ASV, and any accurate an reliable translation.
Worth the time to listen to With the over emphasis on "Spirit Baptism" in the majority of Churches...I have wondered if there are any sermons that can get us back into balance on what the Bible teaches.
This series is worth the time to listen to on this all important subject.
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:1-2
How we are "justified" is the gulf that has separated Romanism and Orthodox from from Biblical Christians and Protestants for centuries. But the "New Perspective" attempts to bridge this divide by changing the reason of our division from doctrine to semantics in how we interpret Paul. But Paul is very clearly against any attempt to seek for justification before God by works. As the verse above clearly shows...Paul said justifcation come through faith...there is no other way.