Wise wrote:
He will do anything for the expediency of being president. What happened to the 20 years of spiritual growth and training

Aussie wrote:
AT the moment I am paying about $7.00 a gallon for my petrol. You yanks have had it good for years and showed little concern about how much gas you used because it was a cheap commodity. It seems to me that it is the "I'm alright jack syndrome". It does hurt to be screwed by greedy people, and I think enough is enough. Lets fight back by using LPG. Don't get me wrong, I love Americans, If you took them out of the world a great vacuum would exist for all sorts of evil powers to dominate. Americans and Aussies have always helped each other, let us continue on in that brotherhood.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
The only problem with that is that Islam in its natural state is extreme, [URL=http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/]]]islam: The Religion of Peace[/URL].

Apparently what remains of the Brits does not consider be-heading an extreme matter. Speaking against Islam, now that is extreme.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Vigilante, I'm not worried about moving off of SermonAudio, being a member of a church that has sermons on this board, and I hope that I usually reflect where they stand. I can only hope that the polygamist supporters see the errors of their ways and note how anti-Christian it is. Are you a Mormon, Vigilante your support for this illegal practice would suggest that you are. I would suggest you read the booklet, A Biblical Perspective On Government, to get a more biblical perspective of government, which is established for our good.
Anne, polygamy has always been illegal in Canada, Polygamy in Canadaand like in the U.S. the laws are rarely enforced. I doubt if it is hard to prove, it is just hard to get prosecutors to do their jobs.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Dr. Phil
I know this was addressed to Casob but let me ask you a question, In the order of salvation Calvinists give, they espouse they are regenerated BEFORE they have faith...which to me implies those believing this 'theology' see no need of repentance in regards to salvation as supposedly the elect are regenerated, made alive spiritually to God, born again if you will BEFORE faith, is this what you believed?
As to anyone breaking the chains of sin for themselves just how many times will you have to read things such as, 'who cry out to Him to be saved from their sins' before you will be honest enough to acknowledge there are non-Calvinists who are maligned in accusing of 'saving themselves'.

Casob wrote:
If you cannot believe God you cannot be saved and you cannot blame not believing and not being saved on God. You must blame it on your own prideful heart.
Satan hinmself thought he was someone special, like you folks do.

Calvinists never say they are not prideful, nor do we blame our sin on anyone else but ourselves. We just say that we have not the ability within ourselves to break the chain of sin. If the angel of the Lord does not come with the power of the Word, we remain behind bars of pride, locked in the dungeon of our own desires of the flesh and the mind.

Minnow wrote:
"Church of England told to stop watering down faith"
What faith???
Thought these guys were Liberals!!!
Faith is Christian - Not Liberal.
Next they'll be telling us that muslims have faith too???
"Currently training to become a priest, Eddy believes that being upfront about the Church’s beliefs will be helpful to Muslim-Christian relations. ..."
Eddy won't go very far in the C of E, trying to confuse them like this and trying to bring back the Bible among them.

Neil wrote:
Rogerant, I think you conflated the 1677 (aka 1689) London Confession with the 1742 Philly one which is largely similar. It seems that Primitive Baptists prefer the 1644 Confession. Most modern anticreedal Baptists pretend these never existed.
Even Anabaptists (whom many Baptists pretend are their ancestors) had the 1632 Dordrecht Confession, which wasn't Calvinistic, of course.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Dr. Phil
I understand enough that if I had been living in Geneva in Calvin's day or anywhere under the influence of the Council of Dort in their day or in the colonies run by the Puritans I would have been in serious physical danger from the 'forefathers' of present day Calvinism.
Now on the contrary if I had been living in the days of the early church it would have been the Pagans and the non-believing Jews who would have been a physical danger to me and anyone else who had put their faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God, the early church wouldn't have been a threat to me or anyone else would they, I'm pretty sure they were more fervant in their faith than what we see today and a great encouragement for me to be likewise but not a physical danger.

I understand that once again your arguments are fallacious. This time the rhetorical trick is Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis. This is sometimes used to avoid having to defend a claim, or an attack as in your case.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Dr. Phil
Know nothing about? I don't think so first I or anyone else who is willing to can read the Bible for themselves and surprisingly in it God Himself tells me about His Only Begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the One who ever lives to make intercession for those who drawn near to God through Him.
and second Calvinists have repeatedly told myself and others what they believe and especially how Calvinists who have seen men and women saved have preached the Lord Jesus Christ and how He died and willingly shed His blood for sinners not the God hates everybody but the elect 5 pointism that we non-Calvinists supposedly know nothing about.
btw Somehow I just don't see Moses as making himself into a Protestant POPE who must be bowed down to and mindlessly obeyed. Moses in a figure of speach had the "goods" that Calvinist's only imagine they have. Somehow I've never heard of the "5" plagues God infliced on the RCC to let 'my elect' go free.

Casob wrote:
Hranek is right, calvinists reject the simplicity of the gospel of Christ and many follow their pernicious ways. They say men cannot be saved by believing and the Scriptures say men must be saved by believing. The Bible says by faith men are saved, and the calvinists say they do not have faith, and I am inclined to believe them!
This leaven is increasing daily like leaven does!

I find an amazing similarity in that all opponents of Calvinism take it upon themselves to comment on something they know nothing about. "They perish in the gainsaying of Core".

DJC49 wrote:
A "dumbing down" indeed!
Take for example:
"EXPERIANCING a dumbing down"
"UNTILL people get"
"reformation FOR FATHERS wrote"
"need to HERE the gospel"
"will hear and BELIVE"
"We used to be near the top in ALL subjects taught in school." -- Does that include Spelling?
[Sorry, but the irony was just too great to pass up without comment!]

Casob wrote:
Speaking of election.
. . .Why did God not elect gentiles in the 2000 years he dealt with Abraham until the Seed came?

rogerant wrote:
And what, this liberalism has not affected mainline Presbyterian, Christian Reformed, Congregationalist, Lutheran and other historic churches??? The historic doctrine and statement of faith of the Episcapalian Church (Church of England) is the Westminster Confession of Faith. Which also the Prebyterian Church confesses. It is also the same confession as (The London Confession of 1742 (Philadelphia Confession) of the Baptists confess apart from the two sacraments (Lord's supper and Baptism). Yes, the current state of the mainline Epis. or Anglican church is abysmal. But their are still faithfull individual churches and teachers within the denomination. The Anglican Othodox Church is still faithful to the word and confessions. Just as the OPC is on the Presbyterian side. We have to make sure that we don't broadbrush all adherants as being the same.

GG wrote:
No...we've been in Africa over 100 years. Perhaps the Africans have seen through the shallow promises of hollow Protestantism in favor of the Church that Christ built? Your Pastors have their own dirty linen to wash and their people will have to deal with it eventually.

GG wrote:
I know that you do, whenever Prots can't deal with the real issues they always try to silence their Catholic adversaries...one way or another!

Jhawk44 wrote:
Think of the public health nightmare 300million+ horses pooping everywhere would cause...