John Yurich USA wrote: Liberals and perverts are the frauds.
So are you John. You're a fraud of the worst kind. You pretend to be saved, and cause dissension on every site you go on.
"The house built on the sand may oftentimes be built higher, have more fair parapets and battlements, windows and ornaments, than that which is built upon the rock; yet all gifts and privileges equal not one grace." - John Owen
The Quiet Christian wrote: Thank you, SA, for this article & all the work you all do. This article reminds me of Psalm 33. If we aren't saying "thank you" to each other, how often then are we thanking the Lord?
"Imagine waking up today with only the things you thanked God for yesterday? Be thankful....it could be worse."
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Doc, I saw you were looking for commonality, let us try and find some. Sorry, guys but when Peter was asked what to do and the Philippian jailer asked how to be saved, neither were told if you are foreordained to eternal life then it will just happen, so Doc, throwing that part out of my post...
Wouldn't that be fruitful to live or lives expecting election to take its course and not lift a finger to spread the Gospel? Of course, as God sees fit, He saves, but we are also commanded to preach the Good News to all the nations.
When men come to God in salvation, faith and repentance, it is only through the power of the Holy Spirit as US just said.
God draws men unto Himself. Man will never go to God as everything about God disgusts sinful man. Man has to be remade to desire God before he repents and believes.
Kev wrote: Way to go there Tim, Ladybug and Watcher
We must push back pride by loving each other. Pride seems to flow in every nook and cranny of our being. Throughout this conversation, my eyes have been opened to just how much pride I have flowing through me. It's sickening. I even take pride in hating the pride in me! Argh!!!
I can't wait until the day, my flesh man is destroyed and I am free of this shadow that follows me from day to day.
Let's continue to love one another and be mature enough to resort to prayer rather than arguing.
ladybug wrote: Tim You may be right, I haven't read through every comment. My apologies to you if that be the case. Glad to hear your blood work went well. A dear friend, she's retired as an RN, suggested the elimination of sugar from my diet. The blood stream needs more alkaline and less acidic properties to fight off illnesses. Sugar breeds an acidic type blood, illnesses breed in that environment.
Love between the brethren is a breath of fresh air for sure. Nice LBug, and glad to hear it Tim. I spent a good portion of last night praying for you (amongst other issues), as I didn't sleep well. My family has a nasty cold going around, and when I get sick, I inevitably get insomnia. Hope we can all stay focused on glorifying Christ through our conversation and not allow pride to taint this day.
BTW...I do believe billboards as with tracts, are not the end product in evangelism but an ice-breaker to start a conversation. Too many people use them as a way out so they don't have to feel uncomfortable in talking to strangers.
Dr. Tim wrote: Since no one has set forth a PRACTICAL difference (not a theological or definitional difference, but a practical difference) , I revert to my original question: Wouldn't we serve our Lord better by putting up more billboards? Please note that my hypothetical billboard didn't set forth any "denoninational" (for lack of a better word) theory of salvation, but the Word of God only. If there is rejoicing in heaven over Henry's salvation, should we rejoice any less on earth just because it wasn't our particular group that erected the billboard in the first place?
Interesting thought process. Yes, more billboards are important as long as they speak scripture and not a seeker-friendly version of the Gospel. If the billboards are using sales gimmicks, then all they will accomplish is a bunch of false converts, deceived into a false sense of security. If they preach the Gospel according to scripture, then we will have a proper harvest...in God's time.
John UK wrote: Connor, I have applied some logic to understand how our convo is going. There's nothing special about logic, it's simply a matter of looking at certain facts and reaching a conclusion. Okay, so it's quicker to say "applying logic" rather than "looking at certain facts and reaching a conclusion". Anyway, by logic, I have concluded that whenever I respond to your posts (out of courtesy and Christian etiquette), you never reply to any of the points I make; rather you just carry on and come out with some more points, and therefore it will be a waste of time me typing anything out, being ignored and all, while you all the meanwhile hope to convince me of something you've been taught in university not the local church. So by logic, it makes sense not to bother...Ah, but modern neo-Calvinists don't bother much with the Spirit; they have the wherewithal to win men to Christ and truth by skillful argument, learned at a secular college. Logically.
Here we go with Calvin again. Using logic, can we say (as we are told in scripture), seeing as God is the Potter and we are the pottery, that He has supreme control over how we are made and what happens to us? A simple yes or no will suffice.
ladybug wrote: From John 6... 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. 64 However, there are some of you who do not believe.‚ÄĚ (For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him.) 65 Then Jesus said, ‚ÄúThis is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.‚ÄĚ‚Ä¶Nothing has been added to the above verses. Notice the Lord states they don't believe, and then tells us why, 'no one can come to me unless the Father has granted it to him'.
Until man is saved, he is more than a dead corpse laying in the ground. He has no power to make any decisions any more than Lazarus did. Did Lazarus have the ability to say no to Christ? No. No more than a dead corpse have any power to hang on to the sides of his coffin and yell, "I like it down here!".
Dead man has no power to save himself until the Holy Spirit empowers him to rise and believe.
Dr. Tim wrote: What practical difference does it make? Either way, Henry is going to heaven and Ulysses is going to hell, right? And rather than endlessly debating over the reason Henry got saved,..
You are right in the fact that in the end, Henry goes to heaven and Ulysses doesn't. The point is this: One way (the way Connor, LBug and myself believe) proclaims God as sovereign, able to save and have His way with His property. Remember in Romans 9 and Isa 45 where God is called the Potter and we are His pottery? This way brings God the glory He deserves. This way, God is sovereign, supreme and in control. Your way gives man some power. Your way gives man the right to say yes or no. Your way gives man the freedom to say, "Not yet, I'm busy". Your way gives sinful man a way out. The biblical way says, when the time (predetermined since the foundations were laid)comes, the Holy Spirit visits the sinner and works the work of salvation in his heart, and compels the man to believe and then repent. Your way says, when the Holy Spirit comes to the door with a sales pitch (ala J.W.'s) you have the freedom to listen and then make a decision one way or the other. Hope you can see the difference. Hope you're doing well this morning.
Dr. Tim wrote: Watcher, I believe what I believe with all my heart--and yet I recognize that some of what I believe may be wrong. It doesn't bother me that folks with opposing beliefs believe those with all their heart also. It just bugs me that they so often take the position that they can't possibly be incorrect in even one minor aspect of their belief system. You're so right about one thing: a little humility wouldn't hurt any of us. Only problem is, being fallen creatures, if we actually had any humility we'd probably be proud of it ūüė≥
Dr. Tim wrote: Good quote from Newton, Watcher--and convicting.
To both of us Tim. I have never and will never deny the fact that I am hard-headed, proud and opinionated. I am. And it's a constant source of fuel for me in life. I just care is all. I care for you as much as I care for (ahem) L,L,Lurker...there said it. I get animated when I speak the truth, and sometimes it gets me in trouble.
I'll most likely end up in jail or missing a head one day, I can see it coming. Still love you brother, no matter what.
Dr. Tim wrote: Yes, and I have apologized more than once in this forum also, Watcher. As for damaging my testimony, you are right, and I have no excuse. I think the only way to avoid that in the future is to simply disengage. Agreed?
It seems to be the only way these days.
"I am persuaded that love and humility are the highest attainments in the school of Christ and the brightest evidences that He is indeed our Master." -John Newton
"Do you think the devil is impressed by anyone's Bible knowledge or degree-certificates? Not at all. Satan fears only holy, humble men and women who know God." -Zac Poonen
Lurker wrote: You'll have to look in one of the modern versions for that verse. . . . . Watcher, Not that it'll mean anything to you but I consider you a brother in Christ as well. But frankly, you're not my cup of tea. But on the subject of pride..... Pride comes in many forms and one form you are apparently blind to is presuming to do God's job of convincing others of what you believe to be truth. Sow, water but leave the increase, if any, to God.
Luker...you are someone who grates on me as well, so be it. That's okay. I am full of pride. Trust me. It's something that follows me around on a daily basis. I hate it. The difference between me and you (or Tim, for that matter) is I am man/mature enough to admit it. I don't see you humbly accepting anyone's rebuke. I don't see Tim coming down off of his high-horse and apologizing for his smart-alek ways. I think both of you need to grow up.
Dr. Tim wrote: No problem, W. Glad to see you demonstrate the humble heart that I lack.
There you go again. Sarcasm all over the place. Just the fact you have Lurker backing you says something. I hate to see what heaven will look like one day with all of this pride being chucked around. Just once, I would love to see someone sincerely apologize and come down off of their perch. Just once.