Jim Lincoln wrote: --- Snippet from a rather detailed article. One can only pray this matter is not settled by congregants coming down with covid-19 âť— đź‘Ž
It's likely the concern the governor has is they won't come down with it, not that they will. So preventing that possibility from happening requires court intervention. As MacArthur has pointed out, the California death rate does not support the prevention of church meeting. No medical reason exists, but political ones do. And as you know, Jim, politics should be kept out of church.
Of course, there is no contribution "to climate change" in the manufacture of windmills and solar panels. No problem with disposal of all those batteries, either. Greening of the power grid is the color of the money to be made reinforced by faulty thoughts of saving the planet.
From the news: "In a summary noting that communities â€śhave faced mental health challenges related to COVID-19â€“associated morbidity, mortality, and mitigation activities,â€ť the CDC reported 10.7 percent of adult respondents weighed suicide. ..."
Maybe the CDC should consider a major source of those mitigation activities, the CDC.
I was under the impression that really hot temperatures in Death Valley in July is typical. But with the global warming crown needing a psych boost lately, it's not surprising that typical becomes newsworthy.
Lurker wrote: Hey Mike, Your reply answers why the gospel was not effective for the one but it doesn't answer why the other repented and became a faithful Christian. Would you agree that the men Jesus spoke of in John 3:18-20 were goats? And those of John 3:21 were lost sheep? Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? (Jer 13:23) Can vessels of wrath become vessels of mercy (Rom 9:22-23)? Can a goat become a sheep? In my mind, these antithetical biblical examples make clear the question of free will. But I admit to less than perfect vision so your thoughts in reply are welcomed.
Lurker, without getting into this deeply, I would just again say that these goats are guilty of goatness because that's what they want. "because he hath not believed" Jn 3:18
The corollary is vs 21- which I don't see saying he cometh to the light that he might doeth truth, but that he that doeth truth cometh to the light... Of course this follows the work of the Holy Spirit making manifest the desire.
Ultimately it goes back to beginnings. I do not hold that God makes men in his image for no purpose other than a pitifully short physical existence followed by an eternity of darkness. God does not create them to sin. Therefore...
Jim Lincoln wrote: --- So, Republicans, pick another person other than Trump!n. Biden is morally superior.
Hmmm. Creepy Joe, reminded by K. Harris during the Democrat debates of sexual impropriety allegations made against him, chooses Harris as his running mate. What a morally superior guy. And Harris, now that she's on the ticket is now ok with Joe. Both losers. Joe, the one who told a black man that if he didn't vote for Joe, he wasn't black. Yup, the morally superior racist Joe, annoyed by the possibility that a black man dare leave the Democrat plantation.
So Jim, pick another person other than Biden! Or be sorely disappointed come November.
Lurker wrote: --- Two heathens hear the same gospel message at the same time from the same person; one repents and becomes a faithful Christian and the other does not. Why was the gospel effective for one and not the other? ---
Knowing the futility of this direction of discussion, I might answer your question with this:
John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
"Rather than" has intrinsic meaning, which we need not go into. The why is given in the fact that they loved darkness. And why did they love darkness? Because their deeds were evil. How did they know their deeds were evil? That they knew is understood from their need to hide them in darkness. They hate the light because it exposes their deeds, which are evil, which they know are evil, which they could not know if have no sense at all. They don't respond because they truly love evil.
Jim Lincoln wrote: So? I haven't seen either one of them advocating forced abortions No doubt Trump was and probably still is just as pro-choice as the Democratic ticket is, since he was pro-choice himself , until it wasn't politically expedient for him to be so- publicly.
No such thing as pro-choice exists when the choice invariably made is to kill. Anti-life is pro-death. Period.
btw, Trump's first order as president was to defund International Planned Parenthood. No political expediency was necessary at that point, since he wasn't running for office. Liberals seem to have memory issues, as well as math problems.
Jim Lincoln wrote: --- "Justine Coleman wrote: .... Team Biden doesnâ€™t think it can win over all evangelicals or even a majority, but it does think it can slice off some of them from Trumpâ€™s coalition by emphasizing the former vice presidentâ€™s personal faith and values....Perhaps he has? excerpts from, "Biden eyes inroads with evangelical voters" https://tinyurl.com/yxgxfxqn
What values does Biden have that are in line with what Christians believe, Jim? A short list will do.
It's interesting how wearing masks for safety of others slithered into becoming a substitute for the actual purpose of these masks, the safety of the wearer, yet we accept it like we accept the sunrise. But I suppose the appeal to guilt works better than the appeal to determining ones risk level for oneself.
Speaking of masks, the following is the heading from the politics section of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, August 10:
DNR (Department of Natural Resources)tells employees to wear masks during Zoom calls, even when alone at home"
I might have thought this a joke, but for seeing the page, and the quote from the head of Wisconsin's DNR saying this was especially needed for those who were not employees of the DNR.
Keeping the illusion going for "public safety" achieves new levels of_______. (fill in the blank)
Vote in person, mechanical levers. Problem solved. No phony ballots, name and address confirmed, no hanging chads, no penciled errors, fewer dead Democrats voting. Worked quite well in the relative recent past, didn't it?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Proverbs 17:4 An evildoer heeds wicked lips. A liar gives ear to a mischievous tongue. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or donâ€™t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit Godâ€™s Kingdom? Donâ€™t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortionists, will inherit Godâ€™s Kingdom. You will notice no mention of abortion in the above, the people who practice these things are just as bad or worse than an abortionist --- Take note of, https://tinyurl.com/y576t4tÂ (Should Christians try to force the kingdom on others?)---No!
The devil mis-used Scripture when quoting it to Jesus. Nothing new here. So Jim, how many thieves, covetous, drunkards, slanderers, etc. kill babies for convenience sake?
James Thomas wrote: --- Their campaign slogan should be "Less is more". Which in their case, it isn't. Every move by them is a calculated one. There is only 81 days until the election. That pairs nicely with a three month suggestion of his ridiculous mandate.
Agreed, James. A national mask mandate for 3 months takes the fear mandate to just beyond the election. Keep the fright and chaos going. Maybe cancel any possibility of painful debating with Trump. It also would create another takeover of State authority by Washington, always a goal.
"3 Minnesota Churches Join Growing List Of Those Suing Governors For Right To Worship"
They already have the right. Suing governors in federal courts conveys the false notion that the right comes from government, and they're just trying to get it back. By appealing to government? It isn't a governor's right to take it away, nor a judges to give it back. It's a bad idea. At best a judge can say, as in NYS, that the governor cannot restrict churches more than other businesses.
B. McCausland wrote: It would be grateful if they clearly presented the genuine scientific facts behind all this. Else, should this be challenged?
"The science" as our governor likes to put it, is printed on the boxes and packaging the masks come in. I have taken to reading them. (I read cereal boxes, too) Several I've seen said NON MEDICAL. Others say THESE MASKS HAVE NOT BEEN TESTED FOR USE AGAINST COVID 19. Another said WARNING: THESE MASKS DO NOT PREVENT TRANSMISSION OF VIRUSES. It had the warning triangle as well. That one, being more honest, was a bit shocking, as truth about the times has been so carefully laid aside. My two NIOSH approved n95 masks, the best of mask world, say "Paint Sanding Valved Respirator" and "USE FOR: Relief from Non-Harmful Sanding, Grinding, Sawing, and Insulating Particles" Meaning not useful for harmful particles. I do take photos of the various packaging to show to those who equate feeling safe with being safe. Unless someone is coughing in your face, or you cough in theirs, the masks appear to be primarily for show, or for fear continuation by way of their visibility.