Pastor Philip Lazar, India wrote:
Dear Christiana, How do you adorn the doctrine of God according to (Titus 2:10)? Why Ap.Paul admonishes a pastor to take care of their “conduct” in the church (1 Tim 3:15) and to be an example “in Conduct” (1 Tim 4:12); and Ap.Peter admonishes the wives that by their gospel-exalting “pure conduct” can win their husbands to Christ (1 Pet 3:1-2)?.
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I do not contend with the word of God, or with your presentation; however, I do contend with some whose interpretation is without grace, and beyond what Scripture says. Those pastors who are on the SA site are Ovadall and Morecraft.

Pastor Derek Carlsen, on the other hand rightly presents what God says on the matter - no more and no less.

Sorry, I don't know how to link his message.

dsm2088 wrote:
i see what i did there.
i take it back.
were all gonna die.
lol!

ENGINEER wrote:
"Cosette, do you hear? he has come to that! he asks my forgiveness! And do you know what he has done for me, Cosette? He has saved my life. He has done more--he has given you to me. And after having saved me, and after having given you to me, Cosette, what has he done with himself? He has sacrificed himself. Behold the man. And he says to me the ingrate, to me the forgetful, to me the pitiless, to me the guilty one: Thanks! Cosette, my whole life passed at the feet of this man would be too little. That barricade, that sewer, that furnace, that cesspool,--all that he traversed for me, for thee, Cosette! He carried me away through all the deaths which he put aside before me, and accepted for himself. Every courage, every virtue, every heroism, every sanctity he possesses! "
"That is the way God apportions things. He is there on high, he sees us all, and he knows what he does in the midst of his great stars. I am on the verge of departure, my children. Love each other well and always. There is nothing else but that in the world: love for each other."
"The night was starless and extremely dark. No doubt, in the gloom, some immense angel stood erect with wings outspread, awaiting that soul."

dsm2088 wrote:
Instead of awarding Wall Street who created this mess and will be rewarded for it why not give 1 million dollars to each American citizen-man, woman and child--to pay off their mortgages, cars and credit card debts (which would be mandatory) for receiving the money. The added bonus would be that the banks and lending institutions would then be solvent or well on the road to being solvent.With the money left over we Americans could then pay for our children's education, maybe start a small business to employ more people to help the economy, or spend it to help the retail market.There are over 306 million citizens in America. If we each received 1 million dollars that would be only 306 million that the government would pay out. That amount sounds so much better than 700 billion--don't you think! I think everyone should email, write and call their congressman and the local newspaper to let them known the people have a better idea on how to use OUR tax money.If you agree, send this to everyone you know. At least our elected officials will know how angry we are over the mess that they have allowed to happen!

ENGINEER wrote:
Inspector Javert's self-sacrifice into water has always evoked the metaphor of baptism into the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, who took on Himself the Law.
which is why we can now serve Him in grace,

I always thought of Javert as representing the Law, ruthlessly pursuing Jean Valjean who had past offenses but now represented Grace.

When Javert died, he represented the death of the Law, and Grace won. Love overcame a multitude of sin.

From the tone of your post, you sound like DJC49.

I actually identify with Jean Valjean, not for his physical strength or gender, but for his changed life brought about by forgiveness. Love and truth triumph!

I don't look at your links anymore. They just make me angry. I had a favorable image of Knox before you started with your posts.

rogerant wrote:
This "Brother" Cloud is clearly outside of orthodox protestent reformation teaching. He holds to the view that the "substance" of Christ's blood provides atonement, rather than the reformation view of the sustitionary death by the shedding of blood unto death.
The fact that Rev.D.A. Waite identifies John McAuthurs name and teaching in his church's Articles of Faith, speaks volumes about this man's divisive character.

Mormons like to say that Jesus' "sweating blood in the Garden of Gethsemane" was all that was needed.

Under Judaism, men and women worshipped separately. Jesus changed all of that, breaking down the barriers of separation. There is One Lord, One Body (not a divided subordinate body), One Spirit. .
Gal 4:23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.

25 Now this. . .corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

26 But the Jerusalem above is FREE;

28 And you are children of the promise.

Gal 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

12 Would that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.

On the other hand, and for comparison, Pastor Morecraft spends a total of 46 minutes on the "Pursuit of Holiness." Part 2 of that series is missing. I wonder why?

He goes further stating that "all women" and to be ruled by "all men," dismissing the 1 Pet. 3:5 where a wife is to be submissive to her "own" husband.

Mr. Morecraft goes even further to state that women should not have the right to vote, nor should they ever have had the right to vote.

Of course, he supports all of this by Old Testament scripture and the few verses of scripture in Paul's letters, picking the ones that emphasize his position. He fails to mention that "husbands and wives are called to 'submit' to one another." He also disregards that we are all "one in Christ Jesus, neither male nor female," because that does not make his point.

Mr. Morecraft does not rightly divide the word of God, but is political in nature, designed to make "his" point.

First of all, a woman born of the spirit of the Lord is submissive by nature (she has been newly created in Christ). Being submissive is an attitude of the heart, not a willful seeking of one's own pleasure. The fact that a wife takes care of her family does not preclude that she can do nothing else.

ENGINEER wrote:
[URL=http://www.christianitytoday.com/tc/2005/006/7.19.html]]]Aiken will go to hell for LYING,also.[/URL]

YES, there will be LIARS and SODOMITES in hell, but they will be there because they rejected GRACE. They loved their sins and would not call upon the LORD to set them free from their sins and the power thereof.

The gift of salvation is available to all who will call upon the name of the LORD.

Eve wrote:
"His [Adam's] earthly life truly would have been temporal; yet he would have passed into heaven without death, and without injury." (John Calvin)

Eve wrote:
Agreed!
Neither tree affects the eternal life of the mortal spirit, since even the spirit of the unsaved goes on to eternal punishment.
Spiritual death then becomes a theological terminology, - not an actual fact in terms of the spirit of the mortal.

I think you are confusing the soul with the spirit. The soul would continue on to hell.

The "Spirit" of life is in Christ Jesus. Only those who are born of the Spirit will be with the Lord in heaven.

That's what it means to be born of the Spirit. We are newly created in Christ Jesus. We are alive to God.

The unregenerate are dead to the things of God. God doesn't make sense to them. They are blind as it were.

Eve wrote:
May I first ask you a question Christiana, If death had not entered before the curse as you put it; - Why was there a Tree of Life planted in the garden? (Gen 2:9)

johninatlanta wrote:
Christians should not waste their emotional energy and time on these debatable matters....too many souls out there headed for hell and thats where we should be focusing.

"O foolish Galations, who bewitched you, into following a different gospel?" "Having been delivered, are you now seeking to establish your own righteousness?" This is very grievous to the work of the Holy Spirit. Eternal rules and regulations serve no purpose towards salvation. From the heart of one "born again" springs of living water flow.

Eve wrote:
That would imply that physical food provides/denies spiritual life since....

But it was the eternal life of the flesh which was why God denied access to the Tree of Life.
"Spiritual death" is a metaphor for being in the domain of sin. But the spiritual life of the unsaved sinner does not die, - he goes to hell.

Eve wrote:
7] (A) They did not die immediately.
(B) They eventually died - BUT only by being denied access to the Tree of Life.