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USER COMMENTS BY “ BY YOUR STANDARDS, NOT ELECT ”
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Right, so you're a fundamentalist Protestant. Are you saying Luther was a "Vaticanist"? I'm not sure why you keep using "Catholic".

Are you related to AntiVaticanistAmerican, by chance? There are some striking resemblances.

BibleOnlyCatholic wrote:
Well, "by your standards, not elect", not necessarily by your standards.

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BibleOnlyCatholic:

So, how is it that you are an "historic Catholic" but denounce Catholicism itself? Wouldn't that make you, well, an "historic Protestant"?


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I guess that depends on whether or not Clark's reading of the argument is correct....

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I have to admit, I agree with your last statement, Neil.

I have no idea how AVA is able to leave that length of post or all of the capitalized words in a row. There is something downright strange about those posts.


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I think the truth is out now. AVA here is Jack Chick. May I call you by your first name, Jack?
AntiVaticanistAmerican wrote:
Note: The last Diabolical & Dastardly "act" done by the last "Black Pope", Peter Hans Kolvenbach/Klovenhoof, before he stepped down on 1/1/08 ; was to have "ordered" the "assassination" of Pakistani Presidential Candidate Bhutto!
Evidently, he didn't want to allow an independently minded Pakistani President, like Bhutto, to ever think again of using Pakistan's nuclear capabilities against an overt political-religious enemy like India; or covert religio-political enemy like......
The Satanic Vatican!

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While I could argue whether the "rebuke" you leveled was justified or not, to your credit you do try to be fair on these threads. I also appreciate your non-denominationalistic approach. At least a dialogue has a chance of occurring with you.

I merely like to know what my targets are, that is all. Perhaps this is a difference of methodology.

terry evans wrote:
Yea, I think I did.

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Terry,

If I'm not mistaken, I think you just 'rebuked' me. Interesting.

To be more precise, Calvin ends up being a pope in the novels. It's hard to tell who the author is really bashing since he's using an alternate world scenario most of the time. All Christians get it in the end.

Also, it never hurts to know at least a little about what one is bashing. This is why I recommended the Jacobs piece.

Honestly, I wasn't attacking you or "grieving the Holy Spirit", at least not intentionally.

terry evans wrote:
Are you saying christians should see the movie and read the books?
Or just bashing calvinist

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Well, I'm not sure if the restaurant analogy works (if each of them had gluten allergies and it was a bakery or perhaps an Italian restaurant, one might draw the wrong conclusion), but Alan Jacobs wrote a nice piece on the books and he's actually read the entire trilogy. After all, John Calvin is recognized in the book. That ought to interest more than a few here.

Dan wrote:
No need to read them. All you need is an excerpt like this one from the 3rd book…
“The Authority, God, the Creator, The Lord... those were all names he gave himself. He was never the creator. He was an angel like ourselves—the first angel, true, the most powerful.... The first angels condensed out of Dust, and the Authority was the first of all.... One of those who came later was wiser than he was, and she found out the truth, so he banished her. We serve her still. And the Authority still reigns in the Kingdom, and [archangel] Metatron is his Regent."
If it is reported that a particular restaurant’s food makes everyone who eats there sick – there is no need to go try it for yourself.

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Has anyone here read the books?

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Fair enough, Michael. I just wasn't sure. As to your other question, well, let's just say I do think the issue is Jesus.

Michael Hranek wrote:
BYS NE
Somehow it seems you've gotten me confused with the Calvinists. I am neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian, I am a born again Christian, a Baptist, a former never to be again Roman Catholic.
So let me ask you again, are you a Roman Catholic?
The issue isn't Calvinism or Arminianism, the issue is Jesus Christ and whether or not a person knows Him and is known by Him. And of course one doesn't have to have a doctorate in theology to be saved but they do need to know the truth of Christ, what God Himself says in the Bible, not the made up lies of Tradition.
Even as Jesus Himself has said,
'Ye must be born again.'
Something that simply does not happen in infant sprinling.

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By "matter" here I only meant that my question didn't turn on whether or not I was Catholic, wiccan, fundamentalist, or a cannibalist. It had more to do with how to take your statement that there seems only to by a remnant that understands everything correctly and it seemed to be those that read their Bibles, which seemed to imply that those who do are the elect, not the other way around. That is, election really has something to do with what you do (up to and including that you read your Bible). That's all.

Michael Hranek wrote:
BYS NE
Sure it matters.

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Does it matter if I am? I didn't think my question implied anything in particular.
Michael Hranek wrote:
BYS Not Elect
Let me ask, are you a Roman Catholic?
The issue isn't Calvinism or Arminianism, the issue is Jesus Christ and whether or not a person knows Him and is known by Him.
Even as Jesus Himself has said,
'Ye must be born again.'
Something that simply does not happen in infant sprinling.

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So, Mr. Hranek, would you consider Biblical ignorance as a sign of, for lack of a better word, non-election? After all, it is only a few of you that actually know the way since you are the only ones that read your Bibles and understand them correctly.
Michael Hranek wrote:
Jim
I think more than being bothered at the Pope's visit is the gross and inexcusable Biblical ignorance in the churches of this country. It is like only a small remnant has any idea at all of what the gospel really is and what it means to personally come to know God in the new birth. And without this foundational knowledge its like we are spitting into the wind to try to get people who think they are good, caring, tolerant people to face up the fact that the Roman Catholic Religion is so heartbreakingly false and those holding to her teachings will die in their guilt and their sin, their virgin Mary is actually somekind of a deceiving demon who will not plead their case before Christ but most likely is mocking them even now for falling for such a lie.

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Just yesterday I was wondering if you were still around. Your measured tone has been needed on the threads of late.

Neil wrote:
Touche!
Dr. Bob Sr. was a Methodist, though not modernist.

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Has anybody seen KK and AntiVaticanistAmerican in the same room at the same time?

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Is Neil from Tuscon still posting on these threads? I haven't seen him in a while. Are you still out there?

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That's helpful. Perhaps I've been conflating election and salvation. I guess I'm still not clear on what election is exactly. The fact that only the elect will be saved seems to imply that salvation, strictly speaking, is not offered to everyone given the fact that the elect were predetermined before "the foundations of the earth were laid".

So, is election more an issue of divine foreknowledge or is it an issue of direct causation since predetermination seems to suggest not merely knowing who will be saved but making it so? If it is the latter, it seems salvation is not offered to everyone de facto.

Perhaps it comes down to a tension between complete theological determinism (am implication of complete sovereignty) and culpability on the part of the individual agent.


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Thanks for some clarification, Mike. So, if two individuals disagree on any belief claim, they both may be elect but one does not have the indwelling of the Spirit? It seems that "Answer" wants to say that the Elect cannot be wrong on theological questions. You seem to make a distinction between some kind of salvation moment and Election in general. Would this be accurate?

Would you say, strictly speaking, that it is God who is responsible for refusing to grant Lance and GG the correct faith and that they, in reality, have nothing to do with it at all?


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On the contrary, Mike, there are many individuals posting on these threads that would, by their standards, consider me damned. My pseudonym is quite fitting, and hardly makes me a "non entity", whatever that means. Indeed, most of the comments directed at Lance and GG imply that God has not chosen them as well.

I guess I am unclear what the relation to belief and election. You (and perhaps this is aimed more specifically at Dan) seem to think that neither Lance and GG have correct beliefs and that you are merely putting the truth before them, yet it is God who will bring them to repentance (or is it that he brings them to belief? Were they unable to believe it previously?). Sometimes it looks like election has nothing to do with belief, since election comes before belief, or does it? In which case, it seems an entire church could have questionable beliefs but still be full of the elect. Perhaps Neil could add something to this discussion. I am genuinely perplexed as to how these things fit together.

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