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Survey7/7/08 5:00 PM
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Minnow wrote:
1] Can you read hearts?
2] Do you differentiate between the sinner and the sinner? (There are none righteous no not one).
3] Which part of the Word of God is "unsuitable" for sinners being evangelised.
Lone Wolf is right, John is writing to believers, the elect of God. John was not writing to the world!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(Joh 3:16)

In this was manifested the LOVE OF GOD TOWARD US, because that God sent HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON into the world, that WE might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that HE LOVED US, and SENT HIS SON to be the propitiation for OUR SINS.
(1Jn 4:9-10)

Why do you need to tell sinners as sinners that God loves them in evangelization? Why do you want to make a sinner complacent in his sin by telling them that God loves them? Why are they not being warned to flee from the wrath to come? Why are they not being told of the holiness and justice of God? Why are they not being told of their sin against this Holy God and His Holy law and that they must repent and foresake their sin?


Survey7/6/08 5:18 PM
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JD wrote:
The prepositions "before" and "from" are not the same and equal and God chose the words carefully to make his points. I suggest you study them carefully and note the differnces.
And your point is????

Survey7/4/08 12:27 PM
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JD wrote:
Consider the post by Quote, for instance. He implies that God created Adam to sin.
I implied no such thing!

God did NOT create Adam to sin! Adam sinned on his own as he was given a free will and therefore he was capable of both obedience and disobedience.
It was purposed before the foundation of the world, before Adam was created, that Christ the Lamb would be slain! The promise of the Messiah was given after the fall.


Survey7/3/08 11:40 PM
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JD wrote:
Have any of you ever thought of what the world would have been like if Adam had not sinned?
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD(Rev 13:8)

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily WAS FOREORDAINED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, but was manifest in these last times for you, (1Pe 1:19-20)


Survey7/3/08 4:47 PM
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JD wrote:
Adam's sin was not a moral or character failure, but an intelletual one.
Adam’s sin was DISOBEDIENCE to the command of God which is a moral failure!

Adam disobeyed the command of God by eating of the fruit of the tree.

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and HAST EATEN OF THE TREE, of which I COMMANDED THEE, saying THOU SHALT NOT EAT OF IT…
(Gen 3:17)

For as by ONE MAN’S DISOBEDIENCE many were made sinners…(Rom 5:19)


Survey7/2/08 6:02 PM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
This can likely apply to those who put their faith in "total irresistable predestination"
I have never read anyone on these threads saying that THEIR FAITH is in total and irresistible predestination!

Name the person or persons that stated THEIR FAITH was in total and irresistible predestination?


Survey7/2/08 2:41 PM
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Mike wrote:
It was not til Adam sinned that death entered the world.
If God created Adam perfect how was he able to sin?

Survey7/1/08 9:26 PM
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JD wrote:
In brief, the Watchtower organization maintains that: “Adam and Eve were created perfect by God…”
...and you say....????
Adam was created upright in that he was right and innocent before God, he was given knowledge and understanding. He was righteous in that his will was in harmony with God’s will and he loved to do the will of God. He was holy; there was no sin in him but Adam was not created perfect! He fell into sin!

If Adam was created perfect he would have never fallen into sin!

If Adam and Eve were created perfect why did they yield to temptation?

Christ did not yield to Satan's temptations nor could He!

There was only ONE PERFECT MAN the man Christ Jesus.


Survey7/1/08 2:57 PM
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JD wrote:
You missed my whole point about Adam, the perfect man sinning.
In brief, the Watchtower organization maintains that: “Adam and Eve were created perfect by God…”

The Watchtower Society says that,
since Adam was also a perfect man who sinned, only a perfect sacrifice of
another perfect man could bring salvation. “By his disobedience the perfect man Adam lost perfect life on a
paradise earth for himself and all his children…” (Live, p. 62)


Survey6/29/08 2:40 PM
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And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
(Joh 5:40)

"…but these men did not see themselves as such (sinners); nor did they see any need they had of coming to Christ; for they thought they had eternal life elsewhere: and such were their ignorance of themselves and Christ; and such their prejudices against him; and such the depravity, perverseness, and stubbornness of their wills, that they had no inclination, desire, and will to come to Christ…"

Which were born… NOR OF THE **WILL** OF MAN, but of God.
(Joh 1:13)

G2307
**thelēma**
From the prolonged form of G2309; a determination (properly the thing), that is, (actively) choice (specifically purpose, decree; abstractly volition) or (passively) inclination: - desire, pleasure, will.

…not of **HIM WHO WILLETH**… (Rom 9:16)

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**thelō ethelō**
…to determine…that is, choose or prefer (literally or figuratively); by implication to wish, that is, be inclined to … to be about to; …desire, be disposed (forward), intend, list, love, mean, please, have rather, …


Survey6/20/08 11:05 PM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
..and this "theoolgy of total irresistable predestination" that teaches God hated certain people BEFORE AND APART FROM any sins they have sinned against Him
God said He hated Esau and loved Jacob before they were ever born and before either of them had done any evil or good! Why? So the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works! Is this not predestination? Don’t you believe God? That’s what He states, not me!

“BEFORE AND APART FROM any sins they have sinned against Him”

It is not just our actual sins, those that we commit against God but we are also born with a sin nature. Our sin natures are more than enough to render us guilty before God. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
(Psa 51:5)

You wrote, “ I could interpret it that God forseeing the future of how Esau would live choose Jacob (whose name means scoundrel) but nevertheless who would come to faith AND MADE HIS CHOICE KNOW BEFOREHAND”

As, I said before you are basing it on WORKS by saying that God chose Jacob over Esau because He forsaw how Esau would live and how Jacob would come to faith.


Survey6/20/08 8:56 PM
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Does God love everyone?

Some say Yes, He loves everyone

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him

Some say No, he hates some people

Leviticus 20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 11:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Proverbs 6:16, 19
These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Hosea 9:15
I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.

Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.


Survey6/19/08 4:56 PM
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Thank you Bernie for your words of encouragement. God Bless you brother.
I do pray for JD and hope the Lord will open His heart to the truth.

Survey6/19/08 3:12 PM
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JD wrote:
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You cannot itimidate me or shame me for believing what the Scriptures teach.
The Scriptures do not teach that Christ died spiritually and was born again.

Survey6/19/08 1:59 PM
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You are propagating the heresies of false teachers.

The Restored Church of God,
“…we are the only true extension of Mr.Herbert W Armstrong's ministry…”

“Christ was the firstborn “from the dead.” When Christ was born again… What He experienced was a literal rebirth FROM DEATH. He was the first to experience spiritual rebirth (to be “born again”)—the hope of all Christians.”

Benny Hinn’s comment "…. Jesus was reborn. . .He was reborn. He had to be reborn. . .If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn."

"… He had died spiritually. He took upon Himself spiritual death - for us. And He is the first one who was ever born again. His new birth is our new birth" (Kenneth Hagin, Made Alive, April 1982, p. 3).

“When you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you became born again. That simply means that your spirit was transformed from a state of spiritual death to life in a split second of time. But have you ever considered that Jesus went through the exact same thing? …Often, in the midst of our religious views of Him, we forget that He was actually the first person to ever become born again…That’s right. He suffered what He did on the cross so that He could become the prototype for the new creation.” Creflo Dollar


Survey6/18/08 11:35 PM
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JD wrote:
Here is what the Scripture says.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
It says He is the firstborn not born-again!

Survey6/18/08 10:05 PM
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Mike wrote:
This is not speaking of election to salvation. See the purpose of God's election in this matter in Malachi 1.
If Romans 9:11-14 is not speaking of God's election to salvation then what election is it speaking of?

Survey6/18/08 9:49 PM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
or I could interpret it that God forseeing the future of how Esau would live choose Jacob (whose name means scoundrel) but nevertheless who would come to faith AND MADE HIS CHOICE KNOW BEFOREHAND.
You are now basing it on WORKS by saying that God chose Jacob over Esau because He forsaw how Esau would live and how Jacob would come to faith.

You should take your own advice and intrepret wisely or you will have for yourself a false god.


Survey6/18/08 9:05 PM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
or I could interpret it that God forseeing the future of how Esau would live choose Jacob (whose name means scoundrel) but nevertheless who would come to faith AND MADE HIS CHOICE KNOW BEFOREHAND.
It had nothing to do with how Esau would live because the verse states that it was the PURPOSE of God according to ELECTION NOT WORKS, it does not say that God FORSAW how Esau would live and how Jacob would come to faith.

Survey6/18/08 6:21 PM
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Michael Hranek wrote:
...accusing God of predestinating some before they were born OR SINNED with no possibility of forgiveness to suffer the torments of eternal hell. This interpretation is certainly NOT GOOD!
(FOR THE CHILDREN BEING NOT YET BORN, NEITHER HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) … As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
(Rom 9:11-14)

What is your interpretation of the verses above?

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