32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Thankfully some calling themselves Calvinists or leaning towards Calvinism don't believe and act according to the Westminster Confession of Faith.

The Reformed (Calvinist/Puritan) Church wrote the WCF in accordance with the Bible and it's teachings.

All of the WCF chapter and verses, relate back to specific Bible verses and thus explain the Bible Doctrines.
Just as the Larger and Shorter Catechisms do and were used to teach and build strong true Church congregations over these last few centuries.

BTW if you would like to apply them to enhance your understanding of Scripture then they can be found at....

[URL=http://www.apuritansmind.com/WCF/WestminsterConfessionMainPage.htm]]]Sound Bible Doctrine Teaching[/URL]

Mike wrote:
Greetings, Minnow. As you know also, the whosoeverwills are the elect and the whosoeverwon'ts are the nonelect.

I prefer to give ALL the glory to God.
Hence

As you know also, the whosoever(GOD)wills are the elect and the whosoever(GOD)won'ts are the nonelect.

That leaves God in His Sovereign Grace.

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JD;
Said
"Lets face it folks, if you guys think you are telling the truth about God, Christ, salvation and the bible, then you think I am not because I am not saying the same thing as you"

I don't know who pushed the button on you JD, but as to your quote above! Of course we believe that our doctrines are "guided by the Spirit." As to the polemics between our differing exegesis that must be what it's all about.

EG
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,

1Cor 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Not to mention the "convictions" of those Jesus rejects at Matt 7:21-23 and Rev 2+3.

This is an insult to God and His Son.
The result will be that God will remove authority from politicians, government and legislation. God does not bless those who reject Him.

JD wrote:
What does this passage, Ep 2, have to do with election? About as much as Ge 1:1. But of course, if you spotted a dead shunk in the middle of the road, it would have something to do with election. You've got it on the brain, son,....or more likely, madam!

Thus the grace given to Paul was to preach salvation to the Gentiles, as revealed to him by the Spirit.

Salvation, as you know, is the result of God calling and electing those whom HE has predestinated unto election and salvation. (Eph 1:4/5)

V6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs,=((to receive adoption unto salvation of the predestinated Elect))= and of the SAME BODY, and partakers of his promise in Christ BY THE GOSPEL:
# Which had been a mystery until the Holy Spirit revealed it to the Apostles.

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JD wrote:
Why not attempt to deal with the text?

Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Another way of writing the intro to verse two is "If ye have heard of the *stewardship* of the grace of God....."

*dispensation" here is the Greek word "οικονομιαν" = (from which we get the word economy) = which means administration of a household or estate.

Paul's administration here is of the grace of God, which was given to him for the Gentiles such as those at Ephesus. Paul goes on to explain how this "mystery" was made known to him by "revelation"

Paul goes on to describe the "Gentiles should be **fellowheirs**" - And not separated as your hyothesis implies.
Indeed he goes on to declare....
V9 "And to make *ALL* men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ"

Just shows how inclusive election is from the beginning of the world, whether Israel or Gentile/past or present.

Mike wrote:
Hey Minnow,
19th century? Think of it this way..look how long you Reformed have been trying to Reform the RC church!

JD wrote:
You would be in good company if you were a dispensationalist. The great Paul certainly was. He wrote: Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you–ward:

Oh JD;
You really are a great comedian sometimes.

If anyone actually believed that Paul was alluding to what modern Dispensationalist conjecture has come up with, then they clearly can't read the Truth in Scripture.

The lesson according to Obama???

I don't suppose these Liberals would "hear" a real sermon anyway. Unless it is "social gospel" they don't want to know.

JD wrote:
Salvation is the result of believing the gospel, not the cause of it. The Scriptures always says that clearly. This is an example. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. The religious insinuate something like this: Be regenerated by the Holy Spirit and be given life and thou shalt believe.

Thus he is still trying to put man before God and still does not deal with sin.

In fact the country that is expanding it's influence most in the western nations is, - Sodom and Gomorrah.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
1] Baptism has no efficacy not a single sacrament has,

2] Baptism is not an insurance policy for babies,

2] We know that too, Jim!
Because
Baptism is the sign and seal of the Covenant.

And God said we can do that at 8 days old.

Now that is a recorded statement of God in Scripture. But notice that there is no teaching that baptism is to be authenticated by a public statement of any kind.

GG wrote:
Do it George and save yourself from illrelevancy and heresy.

The lady of course, is absolutely correct. But todays evil society is clearly attacking and trying to muffle the Law and the Word of God.
Which is a bit like trying to stop the wrath to come.

Alan H wrote:
Below is the link to the index of other writings on that website, if you are interested.
Alan H
[URL=http://www.lgmarshall.org/]]]http://www.lgmarshall.org/[/URL]

As the site proclaims

topic police wrote:
This topic is eschatology, not Calvinism/Arminianism. You need to get your minds out of that stinking rut and get it back on track!

The "free will" Sinner in control equates to Pharisees, papists, cults, heretics, arminians, synergists who believe that man is in control of his eternal destiny.

JD wrote:
I am really concerned that no one answered my questions. You must have missed it so here they are again.
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1) Do you calvinists believe that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God and, though men wrote it, it expresses the very thoughts of God himself?
2) If your answer is yes (And I am not betting the farm that it is) do you believe that the following words are an expression of God's desire for Israel and not just the thoughts of the apostle Paul?

But the problem is JD, That Papists, JW's, cults, arminians, Dispensationalists, free willers etc etc... will respond in the affirmative also.

Then their fruit is perceived as being so obviously UNBiblical!!!

Much zeal without knowledge.

21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.(Lev.18)

Thus they sacrificed their children to the idol Molech.
Today in abortion they sacrifice their children to the god of Mammon.

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Followed by the verse on the abomination of the homosexual perversion.

It's a very sick world today.
Especially in politics and bureaucracy.

The wrath of God is revealed NOW!!