The Uk govt is chock full of queers and dykes pushing the perverts agenda

how ironic that Gordon Brown,the Prime Minster makes much of his "moral compass" and derives his values form his Scottish Presbyterian minister father

DJC49 wrote:
BTW, since a "generation" in Biblical terms is usually consider to be 40 years, then we can extrapolate that "forever" to God means exactly 40,000 years ... that's if we were strict literalists, of course.

First of all it is from the root word [genos] meaning kindred or family. In conjunction with that, it is used three distinct ways within scripture.
1. It can be used to denote a physical family generation or bloodline.
2. It can be used to denote the spiritual family or generation of evil.
3. And it can be used to denote the spiritual family or generation of Christ.

once again I have to ask-if the 1000 years is figurative,is the 6 days of creation also figurative?If not,how do you differentiate?

Perhaps this can be addressed,as it's pretty fundamental stuff

amill2-why don't you go right back to the early church to find out who believed it

glad to see someone who is prepared to accept that some deluded "scottish lass" and John Darby DIDN'T create the "rapture theory"

at least that's a start

they still haven't answered the query as to whether the 1000 years is not to be taken literally,then what about the 6 days of creation?DO they dismiss that too,and if not,then on what basis do they dismiss the millennial reign?

and pew view,why do you rehash the black propaganda about John Darby and the "scottish lass" when it has been demonstrably shown to be a blatant lie?

Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

The teaching of a pre-tribulation Rapture with a stated period of time between two phases of a future second coming of Christ, was first published in 1788 by Morgan Edwards, a Baptist minister in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Edwards was born in Wales, and actually wrote the book while he attended the Bristol Academy in England (1742-1744), but he did not publish the book until after he had been of a Baptist church in Philadelphia. The book was entitled Two Academical Exercises on Subjects Bearing the Following Titles: Millennium, and Last-Novelties.

"Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst," says the Lord.

"Many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. And the Lord will take possession of Judah as His inheritance in the Holy Land, and will again choose Jerusalem." (Zechariah 2:10-12)

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

strange how many Bible commentators say that is the Roman Catholic Church,who coincidentally are also amillennialist

how's that for high jinks??

do you guys have the same problem with the literal 6 days of creation as you do with the literal millennium?

AMill wrote:
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how do you arrive at this piece of prophecy being figurative and not literal,when everything else is literal?

If you think you're living with satan bound,you're only fooling yourself

interesting you try to make little of the jewish wedding analogy,despite Jesus referring to the church as the bride of Christ,and the description in scripture of the marriage supper of the lamb

why is it that other prophecies in scripture are fulfilled literally,but the 1000 years prophecy is only to be taken figuratively?How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Isaiah 65:20-25 tells us that in God's kingdom on the earth, life spans will be greatly increased, just like before the flood. People will have children, build houses, and plant crops. There will also be physical death.

the church according to you is now Israel,and Satan has been bound....

unbelievable that anyone could even begin to think that satan is currently bound,never mind trying to convince others of it.Tragic that you have much in common with Romanism in that regard

REV 20-
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

well,it appears to me that the great chain that binds satan in the A-mill scenario isn't that great and is a bit too long for my liking!!Never have the nations been so deceived or man been so depraved-apart from the days of Noah perhaps!!

another nonsense of amillennialism is of course "replacement theology"

it makes for interesting reading to compare the two

http://www.bibleprophesy.org/introwedding.htm

seems some people are always going to stubbornly proclaim the Darby myth no matter how much it is demolished before their eyes....

AMill wrote:
It's amazing what you can MAKE history say when you want it to agree with your theological hypothesis.
Listen Dispy, the fact is that the MacDonald-Darby-Scofield mythology grew from 1830 to the fairy tale that many confused pew fillers believe today. The "facts" which you produced can just as easily be controverted by the PostMill and Amill folks down the hall!
You want to believe old Margaret and her 1830 buddies? Go ahead.
But
The Biblical Truth is that the PreTrib Rapture doesn't have a Scriptural leg to stand on - UNLESS you convince yourself otherwise!

who do you think you're talking to??

If you want to be treated as anything more than a troll,you better wind your neck in......

perhaps your reading skills don't extend back before 1830......

your basic courtesy skills could do with a polish as well

dispy.....please....

AMill wrote:
Precisely!!
So why do you believe the 19th century Dispy teachings of the "prophetess" Margaret MacDonald, her so called "visions", Darby, Scofield etc etc who invented all this UNBiblical PreTrib, Rapture junk??

MYTH!!!

Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

One post-trib author offered a reward to anyone who could find a quote that predated MacDonald. He had to quickly cough up the money when someone identified a scholar who wrote about the pre-trib rapture several years before MacDonald. As of late, dozens of examples have been found, and the literary surface has hardly been scratched.

apias (60-130)
Clement of Rome (90-100)
The Sherpherd of Hermas (96-150)
Ignatius of Antioch (98-117)
Barnabas (100)
The Didache (100-160)
Justin Martyr (110-165)
Irenaeus (120-202)
Tertullian (145-220)
Hippolytus (185-236)
Cyprian (200-250)
Lactantius (260-330)

John Yurich USA wrote:
Well sure the Archbishop of Liverpool, England is Anglican.

Lance Eccles wrote:
God does things in his own time.

Lance Eccles wrote:
I've seen it before, Jim. Pilgrimage to Damnation would be a more apt title.

altogether now....Journey FROM Damnation

how long will it take you to realise that all your spirited ,but misguided RC propagandizing is in vain?

John Yurich USA wrote:
Are you stating that Jesus considers the Bible readings and prayers to Him during Mass to be blasphemous? Why would Jesus consider the Bible readings and prayers to Him to be blasphemous?

the Spiritualist "church" reads from the Bible in its "services"

is this honouring God,or does God find this pleasing??