Mike wrote: It's funny how often it is heard God puts in high office those he wants there, but then we also hear how awful they are, and they shouldn't be there. Seems like that complaint should be sent God's way, rather than to Christians for the purpose of encouraging them not to vote for him, because after all we shouldn't stand behind and blindly support immoral people, should we? Dyle, do you have evidence to support the claim that Trump "is a president who is an ungodly fornicator"? Is your use of the present tense indicative of present reality? Frank, is Trump an immoral buffoon today? I seem him as crude, rude and in your face, while doing some national good, and I have to say I prefer that to the back-stabbing country-transforming "presidential" smiles of a previous president. James, well said. Joel, as you said many nominals confuse the kingdom of God with politics. By their expectations, though, many others confuse the presidency with the Church. Is there a difference?
IMO, Trump has been an immoral buffoon since his age of accountability. That means, in Christ or not in Christ. I don't have a clue what your point is. I voted for him and will do so again. Does that satisfy your cultural thoughts?
Dyle wrote: Joel, I agree 100%! But Iâm still confused by the logic of pro-life Christians in America. If Americaâs problem is ungodliness and fornication, why is the solution supporting a president who is an ungodly fornicator? Seems to me it will make people turn away from Christianity (and pro-life morals) if most Christians blindly support immoral people.
Very good comment! I have also pondered the same thing. IMO, culture has infiltrated the true church of our Lord. In this sense, the church normally gives the rich and famous a pass. Trump is an immoral buffoon, but according to polls the evangelicals (whatever they are) support him in a Christian sense. He is simply a political christian and every once in a while will say something that is moral. Then the rich and famous kicks in.
James 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
The Quiet Christian wrote: Jim, you know well what those socialist elites stand for, no matter how they got their riches. I would also suggest that your false flag calls of "Dominionism" if anyone suggests a Biblical underpinning to a law, ordinance, or regulation is simply hogwash. "Right" and "wrong" come from somewhere, Jim, and it's not a compilation or societial group think exercise. Psalm 100 says that we are not our own makers, but the sheep of the One who did make us. We must look to the Lord alone for salvation & direction in this life.
Very well said QC! If a conservative politically says abortion is wrong and a liberal politically says it is a womanâs right, Jim would say the conservative was guilty of activism or dominionism. But, both sides have stated a moral opinion. I can assure everyone that if they listen carefully, they will note the liberal agenda is much more stated by politicians, than the conservative agenda.
Until I die, I will and must speak out against everything our heavenly Father has deemed sinful.
Hensleyâs office would often provide same-sex couples looking to get married with a list of others who would perform the ceremony, including ministers and JP David Pareya from a nearby district.
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This scenario has been noted with cake makers and the abortion issue. The cake makers generally refuse, but some give the names of others who will decorate the cakes for homosexuals. Some who refuse to do abortions will provide the names of others who will do it.
Here is my take. We donât believe in murdering children, but if you want to murder your baby, go here.
Or, we donât believe in homosexual marriage, but if you want to seal your relationship, go here.
I have never been put into the position of any of the above. But, I would like to think I would simply say no and tell them my biblical reasons:
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Would I possibly lose my position and income - probably. And ...
What a joke our political system is. You have almost unanimous consent along party lines. And my guess is the voters are also going to simply lean towards their respective ideologies. If you are pro abortion, homosexuality, feminism and a move in the direction of socialism, then you likely will side with the democrats; if not then likely the republicans.
It is pretty conclusive that the president isnât going to be removed from office and it appears clearer that all they want to do is tarnish his name so he wonât be reelected and also to pander to their party voters. I have watched much of the impeachment with amusement.
I am against everything the democratic party stands for and I donât have to play God and discern what is in their hearts. We can simply go by what they do and say.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their countenance witnesses against them, And they declare their sin as Sodom; They do not hide it. Woe to their soul! For they have brought evil upon themselves.
At least many of the republicans try and conceal their true feelings and pander to Christians.
John UK wrote: Thank you brother. Yes, there is far more to this than I can discern. The fact that the devil introduced this in The Garden speaks volumes, along with "Yea, hath God said?" Upset God's order, and cause doubt on God's word, are two devilish traits being used today, and will be right up to the end of the world.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Yes brother, woman was created for man to be his helper.
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
And of course you are so correct in saying the word of our almighty heavenly Father takes precedence over anything. Eve wanted what God said she shouldnât have and here we are.
Are you getting nervous about your trip? I am praying every day for it.
John UK wrote: In the OT it is often the wives who draw away the hearts of their men unto idols. And it is the same today. But if the man loves his wife in a wrong way, he may not like to rebuke and exhort her to godliness. He cannot bear tears, the Lord has softened his heart. And so he says, "Yes dear, if you really want a few decorations up, we'll do it." Next year, here comes the tree.
Hey brother! Just a comment to show my agreement with you. Eve was the first female to lead her husband astray and the curse said that women would desire to control their husbands, but "they would rule over them".
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Adam was not deceived; therefore his sin was doing what his wife wanted him to do. Conflict in loyalties.
I'm pooped. We just came back from shopping for the family get-together on the 25th of December.
Thanks for your well thought out comment! My guess is most people donât remember someone named SteveR. He used to criticize me if I made a typo and his comments were very similar to Get Realâs. The primary goal of both was to sow discontent among the brethren. And we are to ignore those whose goal is to disrupt.
JD - Saved by Grace wrote: I will never be able to understand the depth of the depravity caused by the sin of greed.
1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
its good to see wrote: Where did I say anyone should continue on sinning Frank? Are you holy in and of yourself? "Be ye holy, for I am holy" - have you ever studied that verse Frank? Do we have the ability to 'be holy', or does that holiness come from Christ? I pray the Lord grants understanding to MOST on here who don't seem to grasp the Gospel of sovereign grace. Does God save solely by His grace, or do you have to do something in order to help Him out? The works based conditional religion always, always says 'but, but'..... Have a great day Frank, gotta go now.
I once worked with this fellow who claimed he was a Christian and yet he was shacking up with this lady. I asked him how he could do that and claim to be a Christian. He said that he was saved by grace and it didnât matter what he did now; he had already been forgiven.
The above is an antinomian and has not been born again.
its good to see wrote: I see...so I'm an 'antinomian' because why? What is the Gospel Frank, do you know? How many here are trusting in their 'works' or their 'righteousness' to help save them? Has any here ever given the Gospel to Jim, or prayed for him? Telling others that you prayed as the tax collector is a sign of 'humility'? oh boy....
The Holy Spirit said we should be holy in our living. IOW, we are born again, from above. Most of us, especially me fall very short of that. But, if Christ died for my sins, why would He say it is "okay" to continue to sin. Hence, my antinomian comment. No Christian trusts in their own works. I have never heard anyone actually say that on this forum?
Jim has been presented with the gospel many many times and many of us have prayed for him.
JohnUK Amen brother! I'm glad the fellowship was blessed today. When you are my age, you think a lot more about shedding this sinful flesh and being with the Lord. What a blessing that will be.
I simply think that a false gospel should be exposed. I do it because of someone who may not have discernment wonât be confused. No other reason. SA is not a gang. It is a Christian forum.
Some people on SA like to argue; others donât. You do realize that you are also arguing with others by saying what you are saying?
Being fixated on certain issues is not necessarily legalism.
I believe that my salvation was completely and totally due to grace and in ânoâ way a work. And, I am eternally saved â period. I have the righteousness of Christ imputed to me. I know there are some who donât think like that and whenever that issue comes up, they are confronted.
There are many scriptures that indicate that certain works will accompany believers and certain works wonât. Surely you wouldnât say a murderer or a homosexual shouldnât be told they are sinners and unless they repent, they will undergo the wrath of God?
It sounds like you are an antinomian. It sounds like you could learn much from this forum.
John UK wrote: Not only a Bible believer, but a pilgrim, a sojourner, a stranger, an alien, separated from the world (1 John 2:15) and heaven bound, setting your thoughts on things above, not on things on the earth. What joy! Good on yer, bro!
Amen, fellow pilgrim and follower of the Lord Jesus who sacrificed Himself so that His fallen creation could be with Him in eternity.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
its good to see wrote: that the same legalists are still on this forum spewing out their self righteous views every time any 'holiday' rolls around. if they aren't arguing over that, they are fighting with Jim Lincoln over politics. Makes you wonder why this forum even exists.
Legalism would be pretty tough to define. Sort of like âone manâs freedom fighter is another manâs terrorist"? But, whenever I or someone else goes after Jim from Lincoln, it is because his god is politics and race. Should someone let that pass?
John UK. Good question brother! Yes, I am a bible believer!
There are some really great comments below! Anyway, here is the way I look at the upcoming holiday. We have a family get together on the 25th and in my mind I never even ponder the birth of Christ or assign any spiritual value to it at all. Let me repeat that for clarity. I do not celebrate or even recognize any holiday as being spiritual â none.
Now, if someone wants to celebrate that day in a religious sense, then if it is pertinent to the situation, I will disagree with them; argue with them if they try and promote it as spiritual, but understand why they are doing what they are doing.
Mike wrote: From the news: "Six of those have now raised concerns about hormone treatment being given to children with gender dysphoria, a condition where a person experiences distress due to a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. ..." There is a solution for this distress. Stop the child abuse and tell them the truth. Ignore anything said to the contrary by anyone. Tell the little boys they are boys. Tell the little girls they are girls. It is quite simple. It only gets complicated when depravity is in control.