CAB wrote:
To get you started:

http://www.texemarrs.com/082010/black_gold.htm

You mean the same Texe Marrs who claims that the Holocaust was a hoax?

CAB wrote:
With all of Iraq's oil piped into Israel.

CAB wrote:
... and set side by side the Muslims look way more like Christians than the Christians.

CAB wrote:
[snip] Thereafter, they [the JEWS] chased down the Christians and persecuted them, stoned Stephen, even cannibalized him.

Now ... Have I ever read the Bible?

Evidently NOT the same one you read!
(THANK GOD)

CAB wrote:
The Jews are accursed, they are broken off branches, and pretty soon they are going to kill us all.

And YOU profess keeping the second part of God's greatest commandment?

CAB wrote:
You're reading into scripture--a BIG SIN. Jesus was making the point that he himself, Jesus, was God. The "good" being spoken of here is pure holiness good that we can't conceive of.

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." [Matt 5:48]

CAB wrote:
[snip] I perfectly well do understand your TULIP heresies

Let's take for example the first tenet of "TULIP" (Total Depravity)

CAB wrote:
T- Total depravity. Total lies.

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? THERE IS NONE GOOD but one, that is, God ..." [Matt 19:17]

You get that?
NONE GOOD

CAB wrote:
All the more reason to see that faith is our job, not God's, and that it's our job to keep the lamp burning. Jesus can kick the door in just as easy, or easier, with a lukewarm believer as with somebody who's cold as ice.
The parable of the sower talks about faith -- the seed in the heart that is planted by the word of God. And it can be lost, as Jesus taught, that seed of faith can be lost, also the plant that springs up from the seed can be lost, withered by persecution or smothered by riches and the cares of this world. That's what Jesus was warning the Laodiceans.
Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the Word.

That's true, just like Paul told us to hang on to our faith, that IT would not be in vain. 1 Cor.15:1, 2

CAB wrote:
I agree with you, other than that faith is our part, and God needs our cooperation to save us. Jesus says he's at the door knocking, and will come in to those who open the door. He doesn't kick it down.

That verse about Jesus standing at the door knocking is addressed TO THE CHURCH at Laodicea and NOT to unbelievers!

But there you have it, folks ... salvation is NOT (according to CAB) solely a work of God; He can't do it Himself; God needs our cooperation. In other words, WE have the final say!

John for JESUS wrote:
[snip]... in Romans 8:29, there is a point in time when God knows believers in a more familiar way. After faith and before (fore-) them being conformed to the image of Christ.

Square this with Eph 1:4 please ...
" just as HE CHOSE US in Him before the foundation of the world etc."

It's quite clear. God FOREKNEW and CHOSE believers (the elect) BEFORE the foundation of the world!

Frank wrote:
[snip] In your hypothetical, if I somehow knew with any degree of certainty that the church document contained the signatures of unsaved folks, then I would not sign it or endorse it if it said otherwise. That would be a lie, especially if it led others in the wrong direction or gave them a false sense of security.

Now to my hypothetical:
Let's say YOUR local church made a declaration which stated:
"We Christians here at [your local church's name] uphold the sanctity of life; marriage as biblically understood; and the right to freedom of religion and conscience."

Again, would you sign it?

Neil wrote:
In addition to Frank's good comments, the Manhatten Declarations's basic error is adding social/political reform to those organized church duties expressly commanded in Scripture, which are to worship God & to teach & discipline the faithful, no more. The Apostles never spoke or acted otherwise, despite ancient Rome's egregious moral shortcomings.
A secondary error is its blatant whitewash of church history. This alone is why Protestants, in particular, should have nothing to do with it.

However, having stated that, I will NOT condemn others -- faithful brothers IN Christ -- for their signing the Manhatten Declaration.

penny wrote:
We remind each other of the great missionaries, they had an effect on law and society.

The hospitals and universities were created by those who had an optimistic view, believing they could learn and grow in Christ in real life.... to call this dominionism is really just waiting for Christians who are active in their fields of work and community to cut them off at the ankles.

Frank wrote:
Anyway, the part that I and others object to is its inclusiveness.

Frank wrote:
Now here are some questions for you. Would you tell someone that a movement was Christian, if it wasn't?

John for JESUS wrote:
1) Why stop there? What is noun of the pronoun?
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28 NASB)
Those who love Him. Therefore, only the specific group of those who love Him are being spoken about and not unbelievers.
2) Those who love Him are predestined by God to be conformed into the same image as Christ's resurrected body. They are predestined after faith. Before faith, they were predestined for God's wrath to come.

Frank wrote:
I agree with you Mike. Both signed the Manhatten Declaration which gave credence to every abomination there is.

1) the sanctity of human life,
2) the dignity of marriage as a union of husband and wife, and
3) the freedom of conscience and religion

And states further that these 3 "are foundational principles of justice and the common good, [which] we are compelled by our Christian faith to speak and act in their defense"

Mike wrote:
Another compromiser of the faith. Why is he having fellowship with people who say they are Christian. But deny the work of Christ? This guy, and new Calvinist al Mohler, need to stop playing buddy buddy
With these deniers of the faith, and Preach the Word!

John Yurich USA wrote:
Here is a scenario I have been wondering about. Would it be scriptural if one were to pray the rosary but omit the Hail Mary Prayer and just say the Lord's Prayer, the Glory Be Prayer(Prayer to the Holy Trinity) and the prayer that goes "O my Jesus forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, espcially those in most need of thy mercy."(This prayer has nothing to do with Purgatory)?

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, DJC49 ... the ACA seems to be having a positive effect on the poor, [URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/21/health/peace-of-mind-is-first-benefit-for-many-now-getting-medicaid.html?rref=politics&module=Ribbon&version=context®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Politics&pgtype=article]]]Law’s Expanded Medicaid Coverage Brings a Surge in Sign-Ups[/URL]

"Obama said narrowing the gap between rich and poor would be a key part of his legacy."

So that's what pot has done for him? I.e., thinking that his legacy would be the NARROWING of the gap between rich and poor? Is he serious? After all, the gap has greatly WIDENED between the rich and poor under his tenure as POTUS!