Indeed, who gives God counsel?

Yes, Christian Values. They claim to be Christians, they even live according to the Ten Commandments. So I would say that, yes, they try to hold to Christian Values. Same thing with all the unbelievers in the church. They fancy themselves Christian because they went to church as a child, or even go now. None of that makes them a Christian, but they still try to live by them, thinking themselves to be on God's goodside.

Where is this destruction? I only ask that you show me from scripture how it's wrong to drink alcohol. I've given you the common courtesy as to show my convictions by scripture. Surely you have the evidence to back your claims because of your strong conviction?

So with that said brother, I hope that you can at least acknowledge the scriptures I’ve put forth and deal with them. I won’t continue going back and forth with you when you show a lack of concern for biblical exegesis

Hab 2:15? No, he was not guilty of this. Considering Jesus was not the Babylonian King who involved other kings in his own evil affairs. Not only did this king get other neighboring kings involved in his greed for domination, but he got them involved so that they could help him, and once they helped, he would dominate them, leaving them naked and helpless. This is a prophecy concerning the Babylonian king, not a mandate against drinking alcohol.

You’re right, it does say drink and not drunken. I’m not sure if you were actually reading my post to build or to critique it ahead of time. I’m going with the latter considering I never said that Romans said “drunken”. I only said that, like the other passages, it didn’t condemn drinking. I don’t think this is a debate, because if it were, you would have responded back with scripture and/or context to show how I was wrong. But instead you try to insult me and close your ears to hearing truth by saying that you don’t care what the “greek” says. I don’t know you, but if I were to judge your character based off of this one incident, it would show that your willingness to study God’s Word would be less than commendable. It really shows that you don’t care what the word of God says, even when it shows you where you err, you’ll still hold to whatever it is that makes you feel better at the end of the day. You say you have the perfect English Bible? Are all other translations written in other languages less than your KJV? Which KJV do you have? The original, or the revised? The account in John 2 doesn’t say that Christ actually drank the wine. And if you want to argue that He didn’t, then I won’t argue with you there, but I think that would be a weak argument.

I do hope however that the church that is doing this does stand up and condemn drunkeness.