" Abigail,
Since you love to quote The Word of God, it also says:
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection". 1 Tim. 2:11
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Why don't you quote the rest of the context? The churches do not teach or heed these Scriptures. Verse 15 should read, "notwithstanding she shall be saved in birth control", because people do not want their children, in fact, they hate and murder them. Moreover, she shall be saved only if she continues in faith and charity—otherwise, she will lose her salvation—countering once saved, always saved.

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array. (1Ti 2:9)

But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. (1Ti 2:10)

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. (1Ti 2:11)

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1Ti 2:12)

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. (1Ti 2:13)

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1Ti 2:14)

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (1Ti 2:15)

"Abigail
You would be wise to get saved Abigail, and humble yourself before a Holy God who can stike you down as a false witness and teacher on this site.
You are leading a lot of weaker brethren into sin on here and need to repent and come unto the true saving knowledge of Christ. You cannot teach a false, heretical doctrine on here, and claim to be in the state of sinless perfection.
You remind me of reading Pelagius who was confirmed a heretic. This is serious heresy, and you need to repent."
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The Word of God tells me that blessed am I when my name is cast out as evil for righteousness sake, and to rejoice and be exceeding glad, for great is my reward in heaven—for so persecuted they the prophets which were before me. Jesus Christ was persecuted for His words of truth and we should expect to receive the same. The disciple is not above his Master.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5:10)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. (Mat 5:11)

Jesus Christ chose Judas Iscariot as one of the twelve knowing that he would betray Him. Yet, when Jesus sent out the twelve giving them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease, Judas Iscariot was granted the same power as the other disciples (Mat 10:1-4).

Judas Iscariot was a human being like any other person. He was a thief (John 12:6); He yielded to his own lust and greed and for thirty pieces of silver was used as an instrument of Satan in the betrayal of Jesus Christ.

The word "demon" is not found in the KJV. At a certain point in time Satan entered into Judas Iscariot (Luk 22:3; Joh 13:2) and put into his heart to betray the Lord.

Jesus said Judas was a devil (John 6:70), but He also called Peter "Satan" (Matt 16:23). Jesus was not saying they were the devil or Satan incarnate. He was addressing the evil spirit that was controlling them at that time.

Norman, I do not celebrate the worldly tradition of Christmas, but I do wish you greetings at this season and a blessed New Year. I pray you are fruitful in you witnessing and that the Lord Jesus Christ reveals Himself to you more and more as you continue in your pilgrimage in this vile and evil world.

Jesus did not go about searching for sick people to heal, but He healed all that came to Him for healing. He is the Great Physician. He saves, heals, and delivers. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is worthy of all glory, honor, and praise.

Mat 8:16-17 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

" Abigail wrote:
..There is no difficulty proposed. God created humanity a free moral agency. The only difficulty is with those who refuse to accept they have a free will even though the exercise it every day in everything they do.
In the love of Jesus Christ our Lord
Abigail
Lol!
Great debating tactic.. deny that there is an issue, but insist on the counter point!
Wow!
Tell me Abigail, have you ever read the many verses to the intent expressed in 2 Peter 2. 19b viz. ".. for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought into in bondage.." Or the Lord Jesus in John 8, "...Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin"
Is a servant free? Is one in bondage free?
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There are salves and there are servants. Servants have willingly accepted their position for the reward they receive. Servants of sin love the pleasures of sin and therefore willingly continue in sin. A man is overcome by his own lusts and passions and willfully indulges in sin. No one is helpless in their actions unless they are demon possessed.

The remedy for sin is the Cross of Calvary. Praises unto our blessed Lord and Savior.

I am not aware of what the Arminians teach but the saints do not teach that one is only slightly sick and that Christ is just giving a helping hand. That is merely sarcasm from your camp. Preaching the Gospel of Christ, i.e., His teaching, death, burial, and resurrection with the subsequent new birth and infilling of the Holy Ghost is not a false gospel. You are confused and willfully deceived.

" What a mass of fiddle faddle and contradictions!
Does God violate the will of believers when he works in them both to will and to do of his good pleasure? And if he can do this with them without violating their wills, why cannot he do the same with unbelievers?
tick tock.. it's OK you have a 1000 years to answer.. so take your time.. BUT please first think about the difficulty being proposed!"
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There is no difficulty proposed. God created humanity a free moral agency. The only difficulty is with those who refuse to accept they have a free will even though the exercise it every day in everything they do.

"Can we assume that you don't believe that teaching false doctrine is a sin? So if you are in a sinless perfection, why do you deceive and are a false teacher?
Is not being a liar and deceiver sin? What about your pride of perfection, is this not sin?
"3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;" Does this mean you are of the devil when you lie and deceive on this site regarding your false doctrine?
You would be wise to get saved Abigail, and humble yourself before a Holy God who can stike you down as a false witness and teacher on this site.
You are leading a lot of weaker brethren into sin on here and need to repent and come unto the true saving knowledge of Christ. You cannot teach a false, heretical doctrine on here, and claim to be in the state of sinless perfection.
You remind me of reading Pelagius who was confirmed a heretic. This is serious heresy, and you need to repent."
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Walt, that is your judgment! You are not God and your opinion means nothing. Your post speaks much pride and selfrighteousness.

The whole world is in chaos because God does not violate the will of man but has left man to his own inventions. God does intervene at times, violating the will of man in answer to the prayers of the righteous, but most of the time man does his own thing and God lets him choose his own destruction.

The preaching of the Gospel is the means by which humanity is drawn by the Father. Jesus said that if He be lifted up, He will draw all man unto Himself. When the love of Jesus Christ is shown through the preaching of the cross, it is the power of God unto salvation.

The will of the saints must be brought into subjection of the will of the Father by submission to the leading of the Holy Spirit. We know that if we pray according to His will that He hears and answers our prayers. The indwelling Spirit works in believers to will and to do of His good pleasure. The believers cooperate and participate by submitting their will and doing His good pleasure.

"So election is a very comforting and at the same time a very challenging doctrine for God's people and that is what it was meant to do."
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Why is election a challenging doctrine? According to the "election" doctrine, either you are elected or you are not. I wonder how many think they have been elected only to find out they were not on the day of judgment! And how many will they have condemned to hell (with their words and minds) that were God's chosen elect?

" Abigail, 1st John 1:10- 'If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us'"
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Lyn, I have not claimed that we have not sinned. All have (past tense) sinned and come short of the glory of God. The NT is very clear that we are to stop sinning. The wages of sin is death. Teaching a sinning religion is very evil. Those who maintain we cannot attain unto sinless perfection do not strive for sinlessness because their belief forms a deadlock and they feel justified in their sins.

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 …yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

" We should forget the teachings and doctrines of men and uphold the Bible as our final authority on all matters of faith and practice!!"
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Amen to your post. If people would get filled with the Holy Ghost and let God teach them the Scriptures, there would not be the mass confusion that exists today.

"Abigail if we attain perfection we would no longer need the Lord Jesus Christ."
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Wrong, Jago! How little spiritual understanding sinful people have!!

If we have not the Spirit of Christ dwelling within, we are none of His.
The Spirit of Christ within, i.e., the Holy Ghost, keeps the saints pure by leading and guiding in all truth. He provides a way of escape when the saints are tempted. The Holy Ghost is the power of God that gives unction and strength to perform the works of God that the saint is called to do. In ourselves, we are helpless creatures. Our strength is Christ in us, the hope of glory.

Paul said, and his words should be the testimony of every born again believer—I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, and yet not I, but Christ liveth in me, and the life I live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me.

I can do all things through Christ who strengtheneth me.

" Abigail, We are to aim for perfection, but we cannot achieve it in this life, we are still in the flesh.
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Preachers and teachers embrace the popular teaching of today that we cannot attain perfection. Jesus Christ said, "Nothing shall be impossible to them that believe". Wouldn't that include holy perfection? He commanded that we be perfect as our Father which is in heaven is perfect. His loving admonition is for us to seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. The reason people are not attaining perfection is because they refuse to be filled with the Spirit and walk in the Spirit. The Spirit leads and guides in all truth and does not lead in sin and error. Those who are born of the Spirit overcome the world, and herein is the victory, even our faith. The Lord's prayer states, "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil". It is a very foolish and serious matter to justify sin and promote wickedness by refusing to believe and follow the Lord Jesus Christ. People love the world and the things of the world and refuse to give them up to follow the Lord Jesus Christ. One can't become spiritually perfect while wallowing in sin. Most people don't believe it because they don't want to believe it

" The true role models for Christians are martyrs and those who give their lives selflessly to the cause of Christ and his church, without regard to their country of birth. Even then I wouldn't go so far as to idolize them the way you do with your athletes. After all, only Christ deserves our adulation."
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Amen to your excellent post, Ethan

" Here’s something that’s clear – an excerpt from “Justification and Regeneration” by Charles Leiter. On page 47, he has the heading “A Parable from the University” and talks about the first day of class where the teacher announced “You don’t have to worry about your grade in this course – you all have an ‘A.’ Now we can just settle down and enjoy the material.”
And I’ll quote the next part: “Now, this is exactly what God does in justification. God gives us an “A” at the beginning of the Christian life! We do not labor to merit eternal life at the end of our course; we HAVE eternal life (John 5:24).”"
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1Pe 1:9 Receiving the **end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls**.

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou **faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life**.

The NT teaches sinless perfection. The reason people are not perfect is because they do not want to be perfect—the price is too great for them to consider. People will not search out holiness and righteousness and consequently they are ignorant of them and counter with "No one is perfect, nor can one be perfect".

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

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Although there are many cults worldwide, Churches regulated by secular governments is ecumenism. The whole world is teaming in this effort and uses extreme cult-like behavior as a leverage. The true Church will not fall under their guidelines regardless of consequences. The true Church will follow the path of Jesus Christ and His faithful martyrs and stand for the truth in the face of persecution, imprisonment, and death--a testimony of faithfulness to God and the Lord Jesus Christ.