jpw wrote:
Which church is the Western church of today most like? Do we even ask if a demand conflicts with a higher law of God? I am perplexed by human nature that most often we realize a problem only after the effect. Can anyone expound on that?

jpw wrote:
Things are changing in our world very quickly and I have a feeling that the pew warmers are going to be counting the cost.

For decades churches have been run for pew warmers and their ministers have been happy to do it (hirelings ?)

The arminist heresy and its worldly travelling companions have brought us to this place

Good News tho ! God is pulling the plug on this impudence

He is raising up believers who have been asleep and have now been made to thirst for the old paths and loathe the churchianity of the postwar years and see it for the cissified dishonest satans gospel that it is

The blind false teacher billy graham worlds greatest heretic and false prophet of these years is soon to split hell wide open, see his travelling companions try to pray him into heavan when he does

God is begining to shake the nations, a profound shift in power and wealth from west to east has begun after 500 years (the usual biblical 'cycle' 14 generations) God is raising up the enemies of the west to judge the fromer countries of the reformation who now despise His word

John UK wrote:
It is fortunate that, even in the Old Testament, the Lord vouchsafed to seek out his lost sheep himself, because of laziness on the part of his church.
Charles, you've now added two extra words to my vocabularly: arminist and charismaniac.....love it!

yes us reformed crowd couldnt give a hoot we know you will come anyway !!

seriously tho thank heavan for election - how on earth do the arminists sleep at night with all those people going to hell and its basically their fault for not convincing them to be saved? especially since from my observation the churches mostly work very hard at ....well...concealing the gospel is mainly what they do !

Thanks for the enquiry June ! I am hugely flattered that you should seek my worthless opinion but, and may i be regarded amongst the least of your friends i shall offer what pitiful scraps of knowlege i can !

John UK wrote:
#1 A C.I. Scofield Bible
#2 A Peak's Commentary on the Whole Bible.
It took a long while before I realised the Scofield was bad news, but the first verse I looked up in the Peak was John 3 about being born again. What I read there was amazingly pathetic and I knew this man was NOT born again.

That schofield was a bad boy and no way a christian, exactly the sort to 'make merchandise of you' that you mentioned earlier, fred phelps did an interesting sermon on him a while back

apparently he left his first wife and kids and took up with another plus a bunch of other stuff

yet they laud him

For some peculiar reason ken ham at AIG can be seen advertising the schofield refernce bible and saying what a wonderful thing it is - extraordinary such a shame as it is them that reprinted for the first time in many many years the complete works of josephus

John UK wrote:
Why the Lemsip? Vick? Antibiotics? Why not just thank God for the affliction and suffer it?

Now, medicines are a product of science which itself is a product of the dominion mandate so i can also see that the use of medicines is also biblical.

had i had space in the last post i would have added the following :

There seems to me to be general products of Gods curse upon creation, such as colds and genetic mutation and disease which can be dealt with thru the dominion mandate and expressed thru the finding of solutions through our God given intelligence and ......those events which are beyond the control or modulation of man such as earthquakes, tides, storms etc. God Himself controls these things to whit the disciples witnessing Jesus calming the storms and they said 'what manner of man is this ?'

I was thinking about Job earlier, God was obviously pleased with Job but let Satan torment him and make his life a misery, this was ultimately for Gods glory and on the way we are edified by learning from it

I thank God for medicine but maybe if I was more spiritual ....?

John UK wrote:
And what, pray, is a 'divine fiat'?

from:
http://divinewilltrinity.org/FiatEternalFather3.html

sorry to be a cut n paste jockey

why exactly do you dear brother suffer that malady common to us all at one time or another ? I dont know but our good and micromanaging God ordains that you should

I have been mercifully free from it this winter and I must not forget to give thanks

The complex biochemical processes which give rise to our discomfort are known to a few which labour in this specialist field but these are simply the means which God has ordained

John UK wrote:
Do I get a headache because I sinned?
Am I healthy because I've obeyed God?
What if I've obeyed God, but still suffer with ill health?

The believer should seek to discern Gods providence in all things

There are singular judgements such as earthquakes and floods, temporal such as national bankruptcy or poverty, individual such as poverty or illness
some seem to be part od general wrath being revealed now from heavan agianst all mankind and some are singular

The whole evangelical movement is tainted to a greater or lesser extent with the charismaniacs error most especialy in my limited observation the baptist church

I thank God that I was not led into error whilst seeking in hindsight i was fourtunate to have a sleepy presbyterian church where nothing much happened !

John UK wrote:
Reliable reports are crucial bro, as the devil is seeking to discourage believers in the west. How? By false reports and false teachers who say that God is not working in the west because there is no faith

What an unfourtunate idea !! If that was satans plan then it has worked, many believers are discouraged by these reprts and feel their God has abandoned them !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh may we repent of this dreadful heresy this does no honour to our God how the devil must gloat when he hears this

Yet sadly this is extremely common - believers dooing the devils work !!!!

i never heard him expound doctrinr so i couldnt compare but the fact that he has always been light on doctrine mafde me suspicious also he is pals with some very wordly people

Guinness wrote:
You will find part truth 'but it is not the real "thing as it is" in the Bible' as Ryle put it.

So much for C H being the 'acceptable face of charismania' The whole thing is phoney, if he cant pull it off no one can

Guinness wrote:
Hardly.
As far as I am aware Clifford Hill has never repented of his liberal doctrine where he denies the necessity of the shed blood of Christ.
I heard it in person with my own ears.
It was a very carefully prepared message.
He said that he had had that message for 10 years previously but never dared speak it.
It was no slip of the tongue.
He was not misunderstood.
Clifford Hill is a heretic. The Bible rejects his damnable doctrine.
"For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."

13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

John UK wrote:
Charles, I think it is true to say that claims made for conversions and healings etc around the world today are, in the main, not simply exaggerations, but quite false.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, I'm glad you put that word "Vision" in quotes, because there are not prophets today, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=32307104929]]]Temporary Gifts the Spirit Gave[/URL]. No one, today has visions or prophecies from God, they are all from Satan.

June wrote:
Amen, prince charles . .
There is a set time of awakening in the soul of the "remnant saved by grace", when a man is brought to his spiritual senses, as sure as there is a day of reckoning for the unsaved. This fearful and solemn event, when the foundations of the very earth have been terribly shaken, may very well be just such a wake up call for many.

You may be right of course John in the possibility of them being false converts but considering the shocking and ongoing nature of their experience i think its more likely that when we reach the kingdom we may find a joyous club calling themselves 'haiti 2010' praising their maker ! My guess is that they have seen thru the false church in Haiti - mmm maybe thats why God used the quake ? I hadnt thought about that, you know - God used the quake to call the elect because the church was no good ?
Interesting thought indeed and i wouldnt have thawt of it but for your post -

Mike wrote:
The elect were never in any need of earthquake mercy, unless you think they would have missed the calling out without it.